Helbros/Helvetica 820

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... continued from eBay finds thread https://omegaforums.net/threads/ebay-bargain-s-of-the-year.152795/page-2#post-2094602

I bet you anything that the Helbros with the black dial at the top right has a Helvetia 820 movement in it though! Probably 820B. And probably Helvetia case ref 3190?

I'd be interested in the details, serial number, movement confirmation etc if you have them. These were a batch of watches made for Helbros by Helvetia during the war and I am doing some research into Helvetia's exports to the US at this time.

Thanks. Carl.
And we have a winner! You win your bet .You are correct as to the 820. The import code is HXW so points there as well. Sadly someone cut the lugs. Which is too bad as this has a good balance and would be a great candidate for restoration. Even with the wrecked case this is high on my lists of practice watches to clean and service. I am sure I have a paperclip somewhere...


The number stamped into the case is 1007. The dirt makes it look like there are other digits. Do not see any accessible serial number.

I have been wondering if there might be a way to weld on material for a new lug. I got some nickel rod to experiment with case re-plating.

It looks like the lugs had female pins. Cutting them was not a great way to remove the strap. I have a lot of cases, and was considering re casing this as I like the dial. Of course that would make it a franken. I doubt finding a case will be practical.

I am growing fond of these black dial watches. I just added a delBana. I also found most of an Elgin A11 and have been watching for the proper hands on that. There must have been a point where I was targeting black dial watches.
 
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Hi,

Thanks for starting this new thread.

I'm wearing my one today:




Photos below of the movement and case back. I think the case back on yours is wrong. It should have a Helvetia serial number and the case number 3190 as well as the 1007 on the inner case back as well as between the lugs.





These watches are interesting as they sometimes appear with German army DH markings on them. Helbros were a US company and I'm sure never supplied watches to Germany. There are also non-Helbros Helvetia watches marked 1007 including Helvetia DH marked ones. They all have US import marks like the Helbros so I am sure that 1007 marks a batch of watches for import to the US. I think that the DH marked cases were added in to make up the order and never went to Germany.

Here is a Helvetia watch of mine with an 820 movement.





And here is my page on Helvetia DH watches. The 1007 marked watches are under Type 3 about a third of the way down the page.

https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/german-military-dh-watches

Thanks.

Carl