Has anyone gone off the grid?

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I find it fascinating and something I’d love to do at some point be non reliant on the power company who screws us every year because they buy politicians. Anyway just helping my neighbor do something and they are 100% off the grid. I think as the tech gets smaller and cheaper this will be big in the future. Well seems like a good idea to me and my neighbors speak highly of it. I should get a solar watch so I can join the revolution. (By the way when I say politicians I don’t mean any particular party) added a bird to lighten any harsh tone I may have written
 
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Is this your “off the grid” lunch? If you are close to the roadway, you can also feature the “roadkill du jour” on the menu.
 
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@Walrus That is a lot of panels presumably they have batteries?

I got solar and batteries installed in March and am currently £70 in credit, worst 3 months to come and I estimate I will get to March next year about £30 down. But £30 for a years electricity is a good feeling.
In addition my export was delayed until May, so 2024 I should actually come out with money back and be contributing to the grid. My annual bill used to be around £1500 p.a. So my investment to install should be paid back around 7 years then it’s all profit plus I won’t be a drain on the planet. Well a bit less of a drain, anyway.😉

More and more houses around me are getting solar fitted most seem to have gone with battery cars as well, something I will consider.
 
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Is this your “off the grid” lunch? If you are close to the roadway, you can also feature the “roadkill du jour” on the menu.
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@Walrus That is a lot of panels presumably they have batteries?

I got solar and batteries installed in March and am currently £70 in credit, worst 3 months to come and I estimate I will get to March next year about £30 down. But £30 for a years electricity is a good feeling.
In addition my export was delayed until May, so 2024 I should actually come out with money back and be contributing to the grid. My annual bill used to be around £1500 p.a. So my investment to install should be paid back around 7 years then it’s all profit plus I won’t be a drain on the planet. Well a bit less of a drain, anyway.😉

More and more houses around me are getting solar fitted most seem to have gone with battery cars as well, something I will consider.
Yes they have one of those power walls looks cool. Same here probably 40% of the people around me have panels just no storage.
 
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I live in Luxembourg City and to have a house like the one of @Walrus neighbour would set you back about $5-6 million dollars here. In the current recession the apartments cost per square foot is $1,100.00 so most of us live in apartments. The city encourages and subsidises solar panels but getting everyone in the building to agree is a struggle.

Only this week, we finally got everyone on board. I will pay $12,000.00 as my upfront portion of the project as I have the largest residence in the building. It's silly as I don't use any more or less electricity than the other residents but thats the way it works here. I also amusingly pay more towards the elevator maintenance for the same reason even though I live on the first floor and walk 99% of the time. I am old man waffling now so to the point. The city of Luxembourg along with the government will refund me $9,000.00 from my initial outlay of $12k. The instillation includes a charge station for an electric car on every parking space in the underground garage. They said we will be breakeven on the investment by the end of 2026 and will be feeding the grid and making money almost instantly. I personally don't want an electric car but the thoughts of never paying Deisel again or electricity is hard to ignore.
 
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I live in Luxembourg City and to have a house like the one of @Walrus neighbour would set you back about $5-6 million dollars here. In the current recession the apartments cost per square foot is $1,100.00 so most of us live in apartments. The city encourages and subsidises solar panels but getting everyone in the building to agree is a struggle.

Only this week, we finally got everyone on board. I will pay $12,000.00 as my upfront portion of the project as I have the largest residence in the building. It's silly as I don't use any more or less electricity than the other residents but thats the way it works here. I also amusingly pay more towards the elevator maintenance for the same reason even though I live on the first floor and walk 99% of the time. I am old man waffling now so to the point. The city of Luxembourg along with the government will refund me $9,000.00 from my initial outlay of $12k. The instillation includes a charge station for an electric car on every parking space in the underground garage. They said we will be breakeven on the investment by the end of 2026 and will be feeding the grid and making money almost instantly. I personally don't want an electric car but the thoughts of never paying Deisel again or electricity is hard to ignore.
Wow I guess it’s due to limited land in Luxembourg? Complete guess. Without all that solar wonder that particular house might be 800k but I really am not sure how much a solar set up like that adds to the value. And it certain parts of the US that house would break a million but we are kinda a small bedroom community. It’s interesting seeing all the new houses go up. Many (smart homes) where you tell it to run the dishwasher, turn on lights etc. I never found flipping a switch to be a major effort so I’m not interested in it. I even open my garage by hand people find that weird today.

Still, to be energy independent seems like a very good option. I got this weird fear of a cyber attack on the US outdated power grid. But perhaps with lights on during a long black out you would become a target for the roaming hordes looking for supplies.

Edit: probably tack another 100k plus onto that house, I forgot it’s in the town over which I literally border and if I could pick my house up, move it about 5 acres it would be worth a good amount more. Funny how a little distance can make such an impact.
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I find it fascinating and something I’d love to do at some point be non reliant on the power company who screws us every year because they buy politicians. Anyway just helping my neighbor do something and they are 100% off the grid. I think as the tech gets smaller and cheaper this will be big in the future. Well seems like a good idea to me and my neighbors speak highly of it. I should get a solar watch so I can join the revolution. (By the way when I say politicians I don’t mean any particular party) added a bird to lighten any harsh tone I may have written

Being Grid-connected is complex enough when one factors in the changing landscape around solar and regulations and legislation.
As I currently enjoy generous feed in tarifs that will expire in mid 2028, I'm not thinking of changing my current set up on my place until after then.
Assuming full responsibility for one's own power supply is a risky proposition in my part of the world with storm damage being first and foremost in the mind.
To that, we have just replaced a large section of the roof on our family held rural property homestead that dates back to when it was built in the late 1800's. The hail damage to it which had accumulated over the years was phenomenal, with some dents being from hail that was probably bigger than cricket balls and all well before our collective living memories.
One can only imagine how costly it would be to replace and or insure properly. That's not factoring in the risk of fire from a fault from any part of a solar set up. Wind is another set of problems again.

It's not like I haven't contemplated it though.
I have wondered about going off grid on the basis of a low voltage set up, with no inverters except for something small to run a fridge, a freezer and maybe a decent TV and or sound system(I like my music).
Basically an off grid solar set up with deep cycle batteries to basically run lights and a radio.
Everything could be sourced from previously decommissioned systems by leveraging off some industry connections and some serious networking.
There's enough basic 12 volt stuff out there that's cost effective to source and replace as needed👍

In the interim there is a large shed which needs to be built out at the farm and it's not cost effective to grid connect it from where the (SWER) power runs into the property. It may well become the first building on the property that's a stand alone off grid scenario but I don't envisage it having much of a w/shop unless I can feed a big enough 3 phase inverter but I would be hesitant to run a high quality welder off it and certainly not my 3 phase pulse GMAW. The inverter AC/DC stick welder is supposedly rated to run off a generator and I understand the US navy has them as standard equipment for shipboard use at a pinch for emergency repairs so that's going to be OK.
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I am always amazed at how cheap real-estate can be in the USA dependent on the locality and often browse Zillow and the like to check out the prices of premium real-estate in rural areas.
Here in NZ what's an average house price wise would buy at least a decent McMansion or a decent chunk of land with a good sized 5 to 7 bedroom house in a good rural area.
Solar panels here are now very popular and a good proportion of houses have just about all of their roof area paneled ie lots and lots of generating capacity batteries are becoming popular too.
 
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I can’t believe that’s an $800k house. That’s £3m ($3,800,000) minimum where I am, likely a bit more.
 
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Wow I guess it’s due to limited land in Luxembourg? Complete guess. Without all that solar wonder that particular house might be 800k but I really am not sure how much a solar set up like that adds to the value. And it certain parts of the US that house would break a million but we are kinda a small bedroom community. It’s interesting seeing all the new houses go up. Many (smart homes) where you tell it to run the dishwasher, turn on lights etc. I never found flipping a switch to be a major effort so I’m not interested in it. I even open my garage by hand people find that weird today.

Still, to be energy independent seems like a very good option. I got this weird fear of a cyber attack on the US outdated power grid. But perhaps with lights on during a long black out you would become a target for the roaming hordes looking for supplies.

Edit: probably tack another 100k plus onto that house, I forgot it’s in the town over which I literally border and if I could pick my house up, move it about 5 acres it would be worth a good amount more. Funny how a little distance can make such an impact.
The main issue with Luxembourg is its size. Luxembourg City the capital has just over 100k residence and planning permission is near to impossible. Back in the 70’s and 80’s when the steel industry was the main business land was a fraction of today’s prices. The city was and still is surrounded by farm land and convincing a farmer to sell his land is never going to happen. Fast forward to today where the major banks have a private branch here along with all the hedge funds, Corporate Amazon, PayPal, Apple etc has created a population explosion. When I came here in 1999 there was 410k residence, today there are 650k. Because of planning and space restrictions we build 25% less housing every year than new people arriving therefore creating a bubble. A90M2 2 bed one bath apartment will set you back $850k+ and to rent the same would be about $2k a month plus charges. It forces a lot of people to move a short distance across the border to either France, Belgium or Germany where it’s much cheaper to buy but that’s a whole new hell of its own. Every single day there are about 230,000 people crossing the border to come and work in Luxembourg every day on three motorways 🙁

the government have really gotten behind the autonomous self serving solar industry since the Russian invasion and the fear that created. We produce very little power as a country and import a lot from neighbors who are self serving at best while risking their own energy security with sanctions.
 
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Like @Duckie said when I see these humongous set ups or panels I’m general I do wonder about the impact of hail. I won’t say golf ball size hailstorms are common but we get them and you see people driving around with what looks like baseball bat damage. I still have one on my roof I couldn’t pop out (car roof).

I imagine they would just tear through those panels but my hometown north of me has an array that is as big as a large parking lot when they voted to take all municipal building solar.

I guess it’s a calculated risk. My neighbors set up looks like it’s perfectly positioned to catch that sideway hallstorms that sting you when you’re stuck or working in them.

We all know how fast tech changes. 20 years from know who knows what catching power from the sun will look like. I thought teslas solar shingles sounded good but I think they were abandoned. Maybe we will just hold are cell phones to the sun for five minutes and it will send power to our house (ooh I gotta copyright that)
 
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I am always amazed at how cheap real-estate can be in the USA dependent on the locality and often browse Zillow and the like to check out the prices of premium real-estate in rural areas.
Here in NZ what's an average house price wise would buy at least a decent McMansion or a decent chunk of land with a good sized 5 to 7 bedroom house in a good rural area.
My wife has been intently doing the same thing with Japanese real estate for a few years and, long story short, I’m typing this from the dining room of a beautiful old country house halfway up a mountain overlooking the ocean. It cost a little more than twice the used car I bought so we could come out here on the weekends. The other side of the story, though, is that there appears to be zero jobs available in my field here. The job market is probably better in the US but it’s otherwise most likely a similar situation.

To not make this a total tangent, this village seems to get at least some of its power from solar panels. There are some really big installations on this mountain, and our neighbors have panels on their roof.
 
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My wife has been intently doing the same thing with Japanese real estate for a few years and, long story short, I’m typing this from the dining room of a beautiful old country house halfway up a mountain overlooking the ocean. It cost a little more than twice the used car I bought so we could come out here on the weekends. The other side of the story, though, is that there appears to be zero jobs available in my field here. The job market is probably better in the US but it’s otherwise most likely a similar situation.

To not make this a total tangent, this village seems to get at least some of its power from solar panels. There are some really big installations on this mountain, and our neighbors have panels on their roof.

Sounds like you are playing our tune!
My wife and I have an apartment in Shenyang China ( just across the geographical way) where to stay on topic the number of apartment buildings with solar is also growing however both of us have had a hankering to go visit Japan and the prospect of a cheap holiday house in Japan is quite attractive. ( With solar of course)
 
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I am always amazed at how cheap real-estate can be in the USA dependent on the locality and often browse Zillow and the like to check out the prices of premium real-estate in rural areas.
Here in NZ what's an average house price wise would buy at least a decent McMansion or a decent chunk of land with a good sized 5 to 7 bedroom house in a good rural area.
Solar panels here are now very popular and a good proportion of houses have just about all of their roof area paneled ie lots and lots of generating capacity batteries are becoming popular too.
I’m amazed at what people pay for houses and land and often wonder how anyone could afford to live where they do. I have 20 acres of woods, pasture, creek, and a 5500 sq foot house I built…and I have less than 300k in it. Granted, I built the house and subbed out what I couldn’t (or wouldn’t) do, so I have a lot of sweat equity in it. It would be worth 5 times that in other places in this world.

edit: I would love to be off the grid. Not feasible with solar here at the moment.
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I’m amazed at what people pay for houses and land and often wonder how anyone could afford to live where they do. I have 20 acres of woods, pasture, creek, and a 5500 sq foot house I built…and I have less than 300k in it. Granted, I built the house and subbed out what I couldn’t (or wouldn’t) do, so I have a lot of sweat equity in it. It would be worth 5 times that in other places in this world.
Where I live real estate is about $1.2 mil/ acre, and the city council just voted to eliminate single-family zoning which will drive up the cost of the current R-20 (half-acre) lots like mine quite a bit since developers will be able to knock down houses and build up to 6 units on each lot.
 
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Where I live real estate is about $1.2 mil/ acre, and the city council just voted to eliminate single-family zoning which will drive up the cost of the current R-20 (half-acre) lots like mine quite a bit since developers will be able to knock down houses and build up to 6 units on each lot.

I do hate city infill!
Been going thru that here in my city in NZ (and NZ wide) since the 1970's with any decent sized lots being divided down to 400m2 and now less!
But I guess it could be worse where in China the norm is now 40 story apartment blocks with apartments ranging from a miniscule 47 m2 to a whopping 100m2 (by Chinese standards) though older apartment whilst still in similar size ranges could be larger like my 144 m2 apartment though that's pretty rare.
 
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Does 'off the grid' mean simply disconnected from public electricity? I guess I always thought it meant disconnected from the internet as well, which would naturally preclude everyone on this Forum (or any other) from ever doing so... ?
 
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The main issue with Luxembourg is its size.

I was curious how large (or small) Luxembourg actually is. In my head, I had the idea that it might fit into one of our Great Lakes.

I was right, but also wrong - it would fit into Lake Erie close to 10 times over...

Luxembourg is 2,586.4 square kms. I like how they made sure to put the ".4" in, but I guess when the country is that small, every fraction of a square km counts! Lake Erie surface area is 25,700 square kms. So yes, I can see why real estate there is pretty expensive!
 
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Does 'off the grid' mean simply disconnected from public electricity? I guess I always thought it meant disconnected from the internet as well, which would naturally preclude everyone on this Forum (or any other) from ever doing so... ?
Literally, "the grid" would seem to be referring to the electric grid. However, when people use it colloquially, it often implies disconnection from all public utilities. In my mind, that would also include water, sewer, gas, etc. But it wouldn't necessarily suggest no connection to satellite communications.

And in the case of the OP house, being truly off the grid would require a lot of battery storage for such a large house. I don't know if that's the case or if they are just producing enough electricity on a monthly basis to power the house, but they still rely on the grid to balance out the power supply and demand. For people living in a populated area, truly disconnecting from the grid requires a lot of extra cost, and of course there would be no back-up in case their own system had a problem.
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