Grail achieved

Frunkinator

To be completely honest the sub ND is the perfect dive watch IMO. I've owned two black bays and there were things I wish each had... Never realizing the Sub ND was actually it. I prefer the glossy ceramic bezel and dial, the deep coin edge bezel, the crown guards, to name a few. I usually hate watches with date functions actually because they always look a little off. Even the ones that try to blend in like the Planet Ocean or seamasters I've owned are never quite right. I do like the cyclops on the subs. I think it mixes a classic vintage 1950's appeal to a still modern yet classic design. I would own a sub date, I think the cyclops makes it a little more interesting. Overall, I don't think there's a diver done much better then a no date submariner. Simple, clean. minimalistic and never wrong 😀
My two cents...

Nobel Prize

Why not keep the perfect diver and seek a GMT which you can get on a black bezel if the colours turn you off. Again I'd go for a 16710 rather than a ceramic. Here's mine, and my 1675

Frunkinator

This one's a keeper (for now😉

BlackTalon

I personally like the appearance of the no-date better. The only dates I have thought looked pretty good were the ones w/out the cyclops.

I do not own any Rolexes, so this is based purely on my opinion of the looks.

Frunkinator

Once you hit your grail, what's next...

blubarb

To be honest, I am starting to find my ceramic Sub (114060) a little too glossy, perhaps slightly too flashy for a tool watch, in as much as it's a tool watch for me as I am no diver. I am wearing it less and less both in and away from the office. I have been thinking of giving it up for the 14060m, a sort of back to the future move. Just a thought that's been niggling at me for the last year or so. 👎

Ps. I might go and put it back on the black Everest strap for a while and see if that doesn't tones it down for me.