Getting more flummoxed and bamboozled by vintage prices

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Hello Omegoids,

I've often read jaw dropping stories on the OF of members who got the watch collecting bug what seems now waaay ahead of the curve 20-30 years ago and the amazing deals and finds they made. Indeed even only 4-5 years into the game I have happened upon the odd piece and lucked out...nothing amazing, but a couple of nice pieces.
I've always been looking at the bottom end of the scale (4 kids and a mortgage I'm not about to jeopardise) and repaired, or flipped, or just stuck bits away for some point in the future (as we all do).

This isn't the first time I've commented on vintage prices, but with Covid causing many of us to do more online WILFing in the home office (What Was I Looking For?) I've been frankly quite surprised. I thought that many folk facing difficulties and financial hardship might start with selling off lower end or superfluous pieces in their collection, that there then might be a bit of a glut and a few shiny deals might be in the offing. Instead I've seen reams and reams of of really "bleh" watches (especially Omega) that 6 months ago would struggled to sell for over 175 pounds actually sell for upwards of 300 UKP...and it's not just Britain. It's certainly throughout Europe. It seems some people really are regularly paying out 30-50% more in the sub 500 UKP market than last year. The dealers are slapping on ridiculous BIN prices in this value category, ( I've no idea if the 1500+ watches are shifting at all). Is it a supply and demand thing? Is it a fad or are there some crazies thinking this is a really good way to invest money? It certainly looks like yard sales, car boot sales, (if you can get up earlier than the Russians where I live ) bric a brac and junk stores are the last bastions for reasonable deals...Or maybe I should offload a couple of "bleh" watches myself and sit on the cash for a while...
 
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Or maybe I should offload a couple of "bleh" watches myself and sit on the cash for a while...

Yep, thats the path to go
 
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You raise an interesting question: why, in the face of what should be less disposable income around, do you see stable or even rising vintage watch prices? People are stuck at home, with nothing else to do, and they have to get some diversion and fun somehow.
 
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People with the money to buy watches are mostly still employed.
 
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And I think people are sitting around surfing the net looking at watches. Many are not spending on life like before—clothing budget? travel budget? 300€ for a fun watch helps get through the days.
 
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People with the money to buy watches are mostly still employed.

Yep, casual employees with a couple of jobs at restaurants and bars just to live that are bearing the brunt at the moment aren't your watch shoppers.

As the OP mentioned, like himself it's the working from home browsing more whilst the boss or coworkers aren't looking 😗
 
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Could see a strong pickup in luxury purchases in the back end of the year.

"Man I could have died from Covid. F*** it I'm going to treat myself to the watch I've always wanted"
 
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This is the trend I’m seeing also... watches seem to be picking up rather than slowing down. I’m finding Rolex’s are also being snapped up as quick as they’re being offered...!
 
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I don't think collectors are going to start selling watches because of pandemic anyways. "Investors" might start selling though. This situation should equalize over inflated prices I think. I've been getting emails from Crown and Caliber with their "SALES " . Last I clicked on the link there were 14 pages of watches with $1K to $1.5K off of the asking price.
 
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Dont forget that a $1,000 today will buy way more than $1,000 in 18 months time...if there is still a Dollar. (which there will, but it may not be as influential as today).
 
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Investors are cash rich at the moment that you get nothing for in the bank and is losing buying power. Most have got out of shares (waiting for the bottom), if your not in Gold already you have missed that boat. So why not invest in something different such as watches.
 
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Also wait for a bit- 6 months from now will be a drastically different world than today. The effects of what's happening right now in both regional and global economy will reverberate for years and years. We're just getting started unfortunately..
 
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I agree that vintage prices haven't dropped as one might have expected, but I am seeing some bargains in the pre-owned category (e.g. 1990s).
 
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From personal experience, I can tell you that within the past 6-8 weeks watches have been selling extremely well, and we are talking about top-quality examples at above-average prices.
 
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Vintages pieces are still holding strong, but I assume modern steel Rolex sport have come down in price like the Daytona Hulk Pepsi... but still well over retail 😡😡
 
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I must admid i dont see any price drop until now.
 
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I've heard that traffic across watch collecting/buying platforms is up 300-400% for obvious reasons, and I've spoken with dealers that said they just had their best month ever. I've had to sell some things myself in order to cover incoming, and found things to be fairly liquid and prices pretty steady to date. Might change at some point, might not. I have no idea.
 
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Very interesting topic. Since I am new to the vintage watch world as of 2020, I was hoping to see watch prices drop over the coming months. It is crazy when I look back through older listings in the Private Sales forum (2-4 years old) and see watches at half of today's prices. It seems like the watch market mirrored (actually outpaced) the +60% US stock market gains over the 2016-2020 period. Watch collectors' stock portfolios soared, and so did watch prices.
 
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Irrational exuberance floats all boats. In the US Pacific NW it's been real estate that exploded past wages. The stock market doesn't reflect the economic devastation. There are reasons to explain why it is up but at a macro level it seems insane. Perhaps just as the stock market is not the economy, collectibles such as watches and art do not reflect the economy. You seem to be also be asking about the relationship between collecting and investing. If these were as disconnected as collectors like to tell themselves then the rise in prices is remarkable. But it seems to me a bit disingenuous to believe collectors of watches are not also investors. After all, these aren't vintage marbles. The collector in us will buy the beautiful watch and be happy. The investor in us will grimmace at the cost and possibility of dropping values. But these are first world problems as people say. From my limited corner of the world, my prediction is that vintage watch values will continue to increase or at least hold. But who's to say in this brave new world?