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And yet our wonderful blind European politicians encourage, no make that enforce, multiculturalism onto us here. If this is what eight fanatics can do I dread to imagine how many of the 800,000 ´´refugees´´ who this year alone have arrived are preparing to bite the hand that feeds them in this or other terrible ways.

Stay strong France and wake up Europe, although I´m sure I´m not alone in thinking it is already way too late and the Trojan horse is already long in our midst.
Any idea how many "refugees" have lost their lives trying to escape the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Syria by a dictator which western governments seem to be unwilling or unable to do anything about?
 
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What a terribly bigoted and ill-informed post. The feeling of sadness transcends race/politics/religion so please let us keep this board free from such comments
 
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No doubt a lot of the nationalist parties in Europe will use this to their advantage. Front National in France will probably make a statement soon blaming muslims in general... 🙁 I hope people can see past the bullshit, but sadly a lot can't.
 
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stand by for the scenes of Mirage(s) taking off....
 
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No doubt a lot of the nationalist parties in Europe will use this to their advantage. Front National in France will probably make a statement soon blaming muslims in general... 🙁 I hope people can see past the bullshit, but sadly a lot can't.

If you give in to the fear and if you become intolerant and less generous to people in need then these bastards have already won.
 
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Last news : around 70 killed in a theater. Some dizains in street shootings. Three bombings close to stade de France. Bloody Friday.

Good to hear your voice, Yann.
Our hearts ache for your compatriots.


The feeling of sadness transcends race/politics/religion so please let us keep this board free from such comments

I agree with much of what has been said but as obstando says, first, let's care for the injured and cry for the lost.
 
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The short-sighted view of this is, "We must kill them. We must get revenge" - completely ignoring the fact that when you start bombing an already miserable group of people, even the moderate members of that society will begin to hate you back, and decide, "We must kill them. We must get revenge"... and then they do, and then we think, "We must kill them...."
It will never end until we start emphasizing understanding between these cultures, rather than killing the Other.
 
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It will never end until we start emphasizing understanding between these cultures, rather than killing the Other.

All well and good but if one side doesn't value their own life never mind the lives of the other side then this will continue to happen. All this killing in the name of a fictitious greater being.
 
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All well and good but if one side doesn't value their own life never mind the lives of the other side then this will continue to happen. All this killing in the name of a fictitious greater being.

The reason one side doesn't value their own lives, much less anyone else's, is because the other side has taken every opportunity - across decades - to treat them as though their lives have no value. From propping up brutal dictators to arming extremist thugs to killing people, some innocent, via remote control - if your culture was treated that way for two generations, you too might feel like your life meant nothing.
And perhaps a little angry too.

Only when one side stops steamrolling entire countries and cultures in the name of corporate profits, and killing in the name of an ephemeral theory of government (read: "democracy") will this cycle of violence end.
 
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The reason one side doesn't value their own lives, much less anyone else's, is because the other side has taken every opportunity - across decades - to treat them as though their lives have no value. From propping up brutal dictators to arming extremist thugs to killing people, some innocent, via remote control - if your culture was treated that way for two generations, you too might feel like your life meant nothing.
And perhaps a little angry too.

Only when one side stops steamrolling entire countries and cultures in the name of corporate profits, and killing in the name of an ephemeral theory of government (read: "democracy") will this cycle of violence end.

What a load of left wing, liberalist crap.
Emwazi ( I won't even call him by his ridiculous media name) was 3rd generation British pakistani. He had all the trappings of a first world upbringing. He was brainwashed into believing he'd get his 72 virgins in heaven. The only virgin there would be him. And you blame it on corporate greed, thats the sort of bile that they preach to justify there warped religious ramblings.
 
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There maybe several differing view points among us on this tragedy. Let's not let those views divide us here. Concentrate your thoughts on the victims: or perpetrators if you must, but let's not start casting blame to the right or left among us. Now is not the time or place for that. Leave that for the political candidates.
We were all friends here yesterday morning, there is no reason that should not remains so today.
Temperance folks.
 
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What a load of left wing, liberalist crap.
Emwazi ( I won't even call him by his ridiculous media name) was 3rd generation British pakistani. He had all the trappings of a first world upbringing. He was brainwashed into believing he'd get his 72 virgins in heaven. The only virgin there would be him. And you blame it on corporate greed, thats the sort of bile that they preach to justify there warped religious ramblings.

What a load of right wing, neo-conservative mumbo jumbo 😀

Okay, all jests aside.😀

There have always been religious fundamentalists and people whose minds are easily corrupted and twisted. You name Emwazi and I point to the remaining 99,99999999 percent of immigrants or second generation immigrants of Muslim faith who don't travel back and join ISIS. Yes he should die a horrible death and I would gladly pull the trigger myself but that is beside the point. Anders Breivik who shot 67 people during a political youth rally, most of them teenagers, in Norway a couple of years ago did it because he though the immigrant and "Muslim friendly" politics of the country was a threat to the Norwegian society. He had a western upbringing too.

I am sure you get my point. As said above. Giving into fear and letting the rare examples of horror fuel a general rage towards another culture is a sure way to further divide the world.
 
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One thing for sure is the latest wave of "immigration" is well and truly populated by terrorists. Not "just a few" not "a tiny minority" but a frighteningly huge proportion. There is a lot of recruiting activity happening in the various "refugee" locations. When one talks about the 99.999999% that is ignorance in its most basic definition. It ignores the fact that there are entire communities populating certain parts of European cities where law enforcement and other citizens cannot even go. It ignores the tacit approval that acts like this get and it ignores the hatred that spews out of certain centers of learning. There are none so blind as those that will not see.

Believe me this will be the start of something. RIP to the deceased and condolences to the families.
 
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How come we can't debate these things civilly anymore... Was my initial comment really so bad it should be denounced as "crap"? 🙁
 
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I agree with Abrod that the West is now lying in a bed that it made for itself. I have seen it play out personally. The double standards, double dealing and hypocrisy coupled with the guilt of the citizenry and a misguided but maybe sincere wish to do good backfires in precisely such a manor as we see manifesting.

Remember that in history, no culture has ever been compassionate towards another culture. As human beings that live in relative comfort and safety we all wish the best for our fellow man and want them to be safe and prosper like us. However when the chips are down no culture, not one, will place another cultures wellbeing ahead of their own. The problem comes with a misguided sense of doing good that becomes ones own undoing because most people do not realise that just as the West has an imperialistic agenda to which many of its population remain blissfully unaware so too there is another counter culture that uses religion to further its aim without any shortage of benefactors to finance it and footsoldiers to "man its trenches".

The counter culture. In this instance Islamic Terrorism will also not be accommodating of Western norms and being a good, caring and well meaning individual will not count for anything either. And yes one of the battles is to hold Western states-people accountable for double dealing and sponsoring terrorist organisations as proxies to further their own agendas.
 
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How come we can't debate these things civilly anymore... Was my initial comment really so bad it should be denounced as "crap"? 🙁

No, in fact, your initial comment was both fair and on point. Those who do not understand that a high percentage of terrorist acts are directly or indirectly in response to atrocious and largely indefensible American foreign policy (and to a lesser extent that of other Western powers), are not well informed (or worse).

While it can reasonably be argued that such policies should not be a justification for extreme violence against innocents, understanding the root causes will be the only path to a significant reduction of terrorism emanating from the ME. Unless, that is, people are prepared to live in truly dystopian security states.

For those who are interested in learning more about the roots of contemporary terrorism, I highly recommend spending three hours or so watching this three part BBC series that was produced back in 2004. It is excellent.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...he-rise-of-the-politics-of-fear-bbc-2004_news
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There maybe several differing view points among us on this tragedy. Let's not let those views divide us here. Concentrate your thoughts on the victims: or perpetrators if you must, but let's not start casting blame to the right or left among us. Now is not the time or place for that. Leave that for the political candidates.
We were all friends here yesterday morning, there is no reason that should not remains so today.
Temperance folks.
I don't think they heard you.🙁
 
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@VictorAlpha says it better than I do 😀

I'm just sad that the initial reaction is to kill them, cause more violence... My personal opinion is that this won't end until one side stands up and says we just won't do it anymore. After all, why would any human being join a terrorist group if the people they want to kill haven't done anything to them?

That's all, I'm done being the hippie here tonight 😀
 
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I don't think they heard you.🙁
Yeah, sorry, I was "that guy" here today. My bad (not sarcasm)
 
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No, in fact, your initial comment was both fair and on point. Those who do not understand that a high percentage of terrorist acts are directly or indirectly in response to atrocious and largely indefensible American foreign policy (and to a lesser extent that of other Western powers), are not well informed (or worse).

While it can reasonably be argued that such policies should not be a justification for extreme violence against innocents, understanding the root causes will be the only path to a significant reduction of terrorism emanating from the ME. Unless, that is, people are prepared to live in truly dystopian security states.

For those who are interested in learning more about the roots of contemporary terrorism, I highly recommend spending three hours or so watching this three part BBC series that was produced back in 2004. It is excellent.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...he-rise-of-the-politics-of-fear-bbc-2004_news

THIS is part of the problem. I'll leave it at that.