FRANCE!

its a sad occurance, but things will probably get worse.

Or like we say in consulting. According to the last FMA stats.... Although now more people actually know that means "from my ass"

But it used to work.

I think that you have got your contexts very confused here. I made none of the claims about Irish people that you remarked on. Your observations are completely out of context. The Irish not even the IRA (with whom I have little sympathy by the way) did not embark on a campaign of terror to fundamentally change the social, religious and legal structure of any host country that took in their immigrants via a wholesale campaign of terror and warfare against that countries citizenry. Your argument could encompass the Italians the Jews the Poles and many more nationalities who formed crime syndicates. The Irish through the generations rose up to the highest as well as the lowest stations in their adopted countries as opposed to becoming more radical and insular which is what I was getting at.

For you to equate those with Fundamental Islamic Terrorism shows that you have a weak grasp of the situation at hand. I am not saying that disenfranchisement has nothing to do with it but to try and reduce it to only that is typical of the apologist mindset that has allowed these failed policies to prevailing the first place. I am also not suggesting that every Muslim is a hard line radical BUT the texts which are prevelant in their book if followed by the true believer would give you your first clue as to why many thousands flock to the cause from all over the world. Unlike the Irish and unlike the Basque Separatists.

Again never have the Irish or the Basques threatened the fundamental stability of the world in the way that the Islamic Terrorists do today. Nor have they created enclaves that from gerneration to the next have wholly rejected influence fro the host country

Religion is the platform they use, not the actual real motivator here , terrorism is terrorism.

To think the terrorist groups have not rejected the influence of the host country is also not accurate, as In their view Spain or Great Britain are host countries.

Moreover, the Muslim Comunity does not reject the influence of the host countries. A MINORITY of fundamental Muslims do. Even then, ISIS and other groups are not against their host countries, they are at war with these countries so when you join them you're declaring war. But there are plenty of others that don't .

But don't confuse the use of religion as a unifying force of hate with the members of that religion being hateful as a group. And that use of religion as a hate mongering force is not , by any means, exclusive to Islam. Not historically , not even today.

Lastly I am not drawing direct parallels between Vascs, Irish and fundamental Islamic terrorism. There are ideological differences, but also some similarities. They all feel wronged by their host countries and or proxy governments, they all use the emotional pain and hatred as a fuel for recruitment, and they all seek to create terror and use civilian targets to do so.

The point is we can never crush these movements with strength, unless you commit an eternal and totalitarian force to it . The more we fight, the more hate we feed them, and vice versa. The other point is that we fall into racial and social general hatred and profiling. And we start to see all refugees as terrorists of military age, and muslim immigrants as "a force of hate against their host countries" and so forth and so on, not realizing our own humanity.

I remember the ETA bombings in Madrid , 2 blocks from my school they blew a big chunk off Madrid and killed several people... It didn't feel any different , not at all. Not to the dead, and not to those that remained behind.

Terrorism is terrorism. On England, Oklahoma , Madrid or Paris. It's a horrible tool of hate and war that does not discriminate. Be it. a social, religious, political or ethnic platform, the model is the same

Sorry for being so impertinent.
I just thought they deserved a mention given the context of this thread, along with the tourists killed in Tunisia, and let's not forget the Malaysians either.

No one is forgetting any group that has been killed by terrorist actions. My opinion is that those who oppose the Syrian refugees coming to the states have the "Chicken Little" disease. Their heads would explode with fear if the world was faced with a real calamity. Think the movie "Independence Day" as an example. If we had to fight a real war, think WW2, they would be hiding under their beds in fear. They would rather scream at the dark rather than turning on a light.