For the Hi-Fi enthusiasts among us...

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I have listened to recorded music for more than fifty years. Almost any opinion I have was shared by my roommates, friends and my wife. Of course some different opinions exist, but by and large we always agree on good vs. not-so-good audio.
I guess I should have said "may" and not "will." I do agree it's easy for people to agree on very obvious differences, however the more subtle things are more to personal taste.

For example, many systems that people have described to me as having that classic "warm" sound, are to me muddled and imprecise. If I cannot pick out specific instruments and visualize say the drumstick hitting the cymbal, it's not for me. Someone who likes that warm sound may describe what I like as harsh.
 
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My Stevie Wonder tribute album by the Anita Kerr Singers from 1979 proudly shows the Sony digital recorder they used.

My Night Fly (well one of them 😀 ) also emphasises the digital recording which is hilarious given the content of the article

 
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My Night Fly (well one of them 😀 ) also emphasises the digital recording which is hilarious given the content of the article

Several years ago, when I got back into vinyl, I did a comparison of the CD vs an LP I bought when just after the initial release. I was dismayed to find there wasn't much of a difference. Then I read the liner notes: digital recording. Doh!
 
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That has not been my experience...I cannot tell you how many people have told me that vinyl is more "pure" than anything digital, not understanding that digital has been there for far longer than they ever imagined.

I see this a lot too. Audio equipment hobbyists are a fascinating bunch. There's no other hobby I'm engaged in where there is still so much fundamental disagreement and dogmatic opinions, on both sides. Part of the issue is it's been proven time and time again that our hearing is unreliable and very subject to placebo and bias, but some audiophiles insist they have superhuman and infallible hearing. I recall Rob Watts (of Chord) making a self-aggrandising claim that he could hear minute differences in the noise floor at a decibel level well below the threshold of ordinary human hearing. Someone calculated it and determined he was essentially claiming he could hear a mosquito buzzing on the moon from the UK. Can't find the chart now unfortunately, but it was very funny.

I think I might have already commented this a few pages ago but I own and enjoy listening to vinyl occasionally, but I don't claim that the format is superior to digital formats, i.e. lossless audio CDs or files. It absolutely, objectively is not. As far as I'm concerned, CD is still the king of physical audio formats. What vinyl is though, is fun and engaging to play, and sometimes the source of superior masters or versions of albums. Plus it's nostalgic and I wouldn't argue with anyone who wanted a fully analog signal chain for that reason alone.
 
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OF is a bastion of decorum compared to the audio forum I follow. There are some very deep holes full of opinionated rabbits and minimal moderation. I’ve gotten some good value out of it since I’ve been busy with reconfiguring audio past two years but these guys go at each other. Don’t get me started on the noob posts ….OMG.
 
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OF is a bastion of decorum compared to the audio forum I follow. There are some very deep holes full of opinionated rabbits and minimal moderation. I’ve gotten some good value out of it since I’ve been busy with reconfiguring audio past two years but these guys go at each other. Don’t get me started on the noob posts ….OMG.

What really does my head in is whenever someone is challenged on an opinion, even with evidence, there is a chance they will just default to either:

a.) Your hearing must not be as good as mine.
b.) Your equipment must not be as good as mine.

I recall a retailer in New Zealand that was notorious for this. They'd "review" (advertise) something they sold like an "audiophile network switch" for thousands of dollars on their YouTube channel that would make streaming music sound "dramatically" better, making the staging wider and the hi-hats sparkle and whatever. When people with an understanding of how network traffic works would chime in and go "hey that is fundamentally nonsense" the retailer would just shut them down with "you haven't heard it, so your opinion is irrelevant" which is a maddening argument because there's really no reasoning with that. Every product they sold was, of course, mind blowingly good. If only you were willing to pay, you too would experience this nirvana.

What I couldn't figure out was if the guy genuinely believed he had the elusive golden ears gift, or if he knew he was selling snake oil and just kept up the bullshit act for the customers. You would have to think all of these sellers and manufacturers are scammers, but if there are enough idiots buying snake oil, there must be some idiots selling it, right?
 
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What really does my head in is whenever someone is challenged on an opinion, even with evidence, there is a chance they will just default to either:

a.) Your hearing must not be as good as mine.
b.) Your equipment must not be as good as mine.

I recall a retailer in New Zealand that was notorious for this. They'd "review" (advertise) something they sold like an "audiophile network switch" for thousands of dollars on their YouTube channel that would make streaming music sound "dramatically" better, making the staging wider and the hi-hats sparkle and whatever. When people with an understanding of how network traffic works would chime in and go "hey that is fundamentally nonsense" the retailer would just shut them down with "you haven't heard it, so your opinion is irrelevant" which is a maddening argument because there's really no reasoning with that. Every product they sold was, of course, mind blowingly good. If only you were willing to pay, you too would experience this nirvana.

What I couldn't figure out was if the guy genuinely believed he had the elusive golden ears gift, or if he knew he was selling snake oil and just kept up the bullshit act for the customers. You would have to think all of these sellers and manufacturers are scammers, but if there are enough idiots buying snake oil, there must be some idiots selling it, right?
People are blissfully unaware of the placebo effect and confirmation bias. You are unlikely to dismiss the positive effect of a gizmo for which you just spent 10k$.
 
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"audiophile network switch" for thousands of dollars on their YouTube channel that would make streaming music sound "dramatically" better, making the staging wider and the hi-hats sparkle and whatever.
Those are the best zeros and ones I’ve ever heard!

Now I’m worried. I don’t have my receiver physically connected to my network but rather rely on WiFi. I’m sure there must be some degradation in quality for what little network streaming I do since I’m not using deoxygenated dilithium crystal network cables.
 
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Flux capacitors at <88 mph anyone? Or just watch this video:


I absolutely hate jargon.
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I am a recovering audiophile. Just go to a hearing specialist if you are over 40 and you will learn how bad your hearing is. The older you are, the worse your hearing is. The vinyl guys are in a religious cult. The people who hear differences in speaker cable should be in a mental institution.
 
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Flux capacitors at <88 mph anyone? Or just watch this video:


I absolutely hate jargon.
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Gag presentation for Rockwell sales meeting?
 
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Those are the best zeros and ones I’ve ever heard!

Now I’m worried. I don’t have my receiver physically connected to my network but rather rely on WiFi. I’m sure there must be some degradation in quality for what little network streaming I do since I’m not using deoxygenated dilithium crystal network cables.
I just ran a three way test using the stunning and Grammy winning “Woodland Studios”. CD and Amazon HD streaming honestly sounded the same. The LP sounds great too but lacks the black sonic background of the digital files. My streamer was insisting on finding the most remote WiFi node in my home so I ran Cat 8 Ethernet to it. After all that work, I found the antenna selection utility. Oh well.
 
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I am a recovering audiophile. Just go to a hearing specialist if you are over 40 and you will learn how bad your hearing is. The older you are, the worse your hearing is. The vinyl guys are in a religious cult. The people who hear differences in speaker cable should be in a mental institution.
With all due respect, just because you cannot hear the difference of cables etc, it doesn’t not mean that others cannot hear it or that there are systems that will reveal the differences.

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Those are the best zeros and ones I’ve ever heard!

Now I’m worried. I don’t have my receiver physically connected to my network but rather rely on WiFi. I’m sure there must be some degradation in quality for what little network streaming I do since I’m not using deoxygenated dilithium crystal network cables.
But worse to come with Quantum computing knocking on our doors, the error and cross checking for data integrity surely will be sonically noticeable, wont make a damn bit of difference what speaker cables or wifi you are using, simply unlistenable, unlistenable!

Now how do I pull my tongue out of being firmly stuck in my cheek?
 
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Flux capacitors at <88 mph anyone? Or just watch this video:


I absolutely hate jargon.
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I hope he had cue cards. No mention of a samoflange, alas.

Reminds me of my corporate days and training in the Danaher Business System. 😑😑
 
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With all due respect, just because you cannot hear the difference of cables etc, it doesn’t not mean that others cannot hear it or that there are systems that will reveal the differences.

Best

Fortunately, we have very advanced equipment that can quite easily measure cables far beyond what any human being can hear to ensure they are audibly transparent to the signal, which almost all of them are. Nothing wrong with buying exotic cables because they feel or look nice though. Nordost would love to take your money.
 
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I hope he had cue cards. No mention of a samoflange, alas.

Reminds me of my corporate days and training in the Danaher Business System. 😑😑
I was thinking as I watched this (seen it before however) how many takes did he have to do to get it off pat like that. My hat really goes off to him for managing to spout that nonsense with out hesitation or mistake, Bravo!
 
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Flux capacitors at <88 mph anyone? Or just watch this video:


I absolutely hate jargon.
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Lol. That was hilarious! It had the unmistakable vibe of an SNL sketch, verbatim.
 
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I'm lucky to hear the music at all over the constant ringing in by ears from tinnitus!
 
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I am a recovering audiophile. Just go to a hearing specialist if you are over 40 and you will learn how bad your hearing is. The older you are, the worse your hearing is. The vinyl guys are in a religious cult. The people who hear differences in speaker cable should be in a mental institution.
Some friends of mine could hear the deiffrerence in whitch way around the plug was to the socket on the mains. I,e, turned 180 degrees. We use this type of plug and socket,