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SkunkPrince
·Let us not forget the pop albums mixed to play well on a dorm-room "rack" system. Bass heavy doesn't begin to describe it.... the systems, not the overly-bright mix.
For the Hi-Fi enthusiasts among us...
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arturo7
·I don't know what some of you are talking about when it comes to vinyl. A high bitrate audio file will outperform every stat the vinyl can come up with. A Tidal MQA or Amazon HD Music will literally blow away any vinyl on every conceivable metric, including ease of use. It's literally like sitting in a recording studio and hearing the performance live. It doesn't get any better than that in this day and age.
I know that some of you will get cognitive dissonance from that fact but just because you can't psychologically handle the truth doesn't mean it's not the truth.
Sorry man, I just can't abide this crap. Metrics? Our ears are far more complex than any measurement can quantify. If you prefer the digital sound, that's fine. But please do not expect everyone to share your viewpoint. To do so is pure hubris. Perhaps you're just trolling?
I do both. Each has it's place.
Sometimes you want to listen to trumpets, sometimes you want to hear saxophones. It really is as simple as that.
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TechFounder
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How about we just pick one metric for argument's sake. Dynamic range. What makes a live performance sound live? Its dynamic range. When you have a flawed medium like vinyl, you will never get there because the medium itself is the limiting factor. Digital has a much higher range that's closer to live. With 24-Bit / 192 kHz recordings and over 100 dB of dynamic range, lossless audio will sound more live than vinyl can ever hope for. Don't take my word for it. Get your butts into a high-end stereo shop and listen for yourself. Ask them to stream Tidal Master Quality Audio or Amazon HD (no garbage recording please) on a high-end system and listen. And if you really like some distortion in your music to make it sound better to your ears, listen to the lossless through some tubes.
How about we just pick one metric for argument's sake. Dynamic range. What makes a live performance sound live? Its dynamic range. When you have a flawed medium like vinyl, you will never get there because the medium itself is the limiting factor. Digital has a much higher range that's closer to live. With 24-Bit / 192 kHz recordings and over 100 dB of dynamic range, lossless audio will sound more live than vinyl can ever hope for. Don't take my word for it. Get your butts into a high-end stereo shop and listen for yourself. Ask them to stream Tidal Master Quality Audio or Amazon HD (no garbage recording please) on a high-end system and listen. And if you really like some distortion in your music to make it sound better to your ears, listen to the lossless through some tubes.
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BlackTalon
··This Space for RentPretty sure I have ben listening to hifi systems for 40 or so years now, with digital starting a little over 25 years ago. And on systems that are total junk up to systems that cost as much as my house is worth.
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slavedata
·Totally agree on the production and studio work as crucial issues in sound quality. I have top quality vinyl and top quality high res all feeding a valve (tube) amplifier. Well produced music sound amazing from either source. Poorly produced material, especially "sound wars" high level digital mixed for loudness and playing on ear buds sounds awful. So I don't subscribe to a Vinyl / CD argument, more GIGO Garbage In Garbage Out.
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gnuyork
·Hmm, I don't miss the analog days of the vinyl and cassette tapes with all the clicks, pops, and distortion. Not sure why people are now so hung up on it? The clean sound from a high bitrate digital audio file/streaming is much better. Not only that, I don't have to get up to change tracks. I suppose some of you would like to go back to owning a TV without a remote as well? 😉
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SkunkPrince
·Clicks and pops? Have you heard clean vinyl on a decent system? I think you would be amazed.
It occurs to me that, since I mostly listened to rock music with a little big band tossed in, that some of the criteria a classical listener cares about were less important to me.
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madjestikmoose
·I have yet to listen to ANY stereo system that could be fully mistaken for a live performance.
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SkunkPrince
·This is why I’m a Quad monogamist... their tag line about being the closest thing to the original sound is not wasted. I recommend you have a listen to their ESLs as soon as is convenient; they are simply astonishing. Like nothing else I’ve ever heard.
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Clicks and pops? Have you heard clean vinyl on a decent system? I think you would be amazed.
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··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.The reason I don’t have many live recorded LPs is that they sound nothing like an actual live recording through a hifi system (or radio, walkman, car, etc.). I have a few good tapes that were taken straight from the mixing desks at gigs, but there is no way you can replicate the live experience (especially if it was a Ramones gig 😲).
And, as @Archer pointed out, production is key to a good recording. When AM radio was prevalent in the 70s popular songs in particular were engineered to sound good when listened through a mono transistor radio, and subsequently didn’t sound so good through good systems. Now that many of these recordings have been remastered and/or remixed they sound much better. Additionally, the difference a good engineer can make in a studio is remarkable.
There’s also the difference in vinyl quality before and after the 74 oil crisis, and after CDs were launched...
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sxl2004
·AC/DC Thunderstruck Live on 45rpm 12” vinyl comes close on the right system. System needs to be big and powerful.
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Live at Leeds!
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gnuyork
·Live at the Isle of Wight is great too.
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Aussie Jim
·-sigh-
How about we just pick one metric for argument's sake. Dynamic range. What makes a live performance sound live? Its dynamic range. When you have a flawed medium like vinyl, you will never get there because the medium itself is the limiting factor. Digital has a much higher range that's closer to live. With 24-Bit / 192 kHz recordings and over 100 dB of dynamic range, lossless audio will sound more live than vinyl can ever hope for. Don't take my word for it. Get your butts into a high-end stereo shop and listen for yourself. Ask them to stream Tidal Master Quality Audio or Amazon HD (no garbage recording please) on a high-end system and listen. And if you really like some distortion in your music to make it sound better to your ears, listen to the lossless through some tubes.
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It is pretty interesting that we don’t seem to elicit the same emotive level when talking to each other about the subjective differences between different watch brands/sizes/styles/ ages but something that is truly extraordinarily subjective - what I like to listen to- has sparked such passion and outrage.
You may be blessed with truly golden ears, but for most of us the appreciation of music is an incredible mix of the sound, the production, the artists, the room and our own prior emotional associations with all of the above.
i listen to high bit rate, high quality digital recordings through very good equipment. Sometimes i just like the vinyl and the process of listening to vinyl better. Perhaps there is a weak link in my digital chain, but probably not. I just like it.
It would be really nice to respect the marvelous variety of human choice and experience . And we wont tell you that we hate your watches and you are wrong to choose them👍
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sxl2004
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See what’s possible with a little watch buying restraint 😁
