First Time Poster -- Need advice on a listing

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The store that he bought it from is right in Pennsylvania from a Jeweler inside a mall that I have at least heard of before. I live in Maryland so I’m pretty close. Is a US warranty card normal if the watch was purchased in the US?
I only brought it up as the store was labeled Milan and the 2011 code means US delivery. But as that has been cleared up the. No issues.
 
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Good Morning all! I've lurked around these forums and watchuseek before, but this is actually my first post here. I recently graduated, and I have been looking for a Quartz Omega Seamaster 300m 41mm full-size ref.2541.80 as a graduation gift to myself.

I found this listing first on chrono24, so first I did research about that website because I hadn't heard of it until yesterday. What I saw was essentially to try and stay away from private sellers (and this guy is). I contacted him explaining my situation, and he seemed very understanding and has answered all my questions so far. So far here is everything I have gathered (link is at the bottom):

He has also been on eBay since 2014 and is also listing this watch on eBay. He has great reviews and he has sold several watches in the past.

His warranty card checks out as being from a store in Pennsylvania where he claims to live, work, and to have gone to school. The serial number on the card also matches the serial number on the watch. I wanted to call the Jeweler, but COVID-19 -_-

He gave me his Facebook information and a list of a few groups he is in there, like Omega Owners, Dive Watch Owners, etc. which I was able to confirm. He said he is also a member on watchuseek, but not here. And that he has really only been a buyer there, and not much of a poster. He said he bought this watch originally as a graduation gift to himself, and that he is 39 now. Meaning he would have been 21 when he bought the watch, which totally makes sense.

The watch looks to be in good shape and seems authentic from the pictures. I am waiting to hear back from him about its service history.

Lastly as a question to the community, If I were to purchase this watch, would it be safer to do so on Ebay or chrono24? Everything really seems to be in order. Maybe I am just being overcautious?

TLDR; Is this listing the real deal?
Link: https://www.chrono24.com/omega/25418000-seamaster-300m--id15169125.htm

I don't think the watch you're looking at is in very good cosmetic condition. The lighting isn't fantastic in the seller's pictures, but the bracelet and the underside of the lugs all look very scuffed up. Are you really set on getting a 2541.80? If not, I strongly recommend spending a little extra and getting a 2531.80 instead. It took me about 6 weeks, but late last year I was able to find a recently serviced 2531.80 in excellent condition for ~$500 more than the watch you're looking at.
 
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I don't think the watch you're looking at is in very good cosmetic condition. The lighting isn't fantastic in the seller's pictures, but the bracelet and the underside of the lugs all look very scuffed up. Are you really set on getting a 2541.80? If not, I strongly recommend spending a little extra and getting a 2531.80 instead. It took me about 6 weeks, but late last year I was able to find a recently serviced 2531.80 in excellent condition for ~$500 more than the watch you're looking at.
Hi, thank you! I appreciate your insight. I am pretty set on the 2541.80. I know that the automatic/chrono watches hold a special place in many watch collectors hearts due to the craftsmanship. Personally, especially since this will be my first high-end watch purchase, I feel much more comfortable with a quartz movement. I’m more familiar with them, and they are more in my price range.

I wanted to make sure to add that the seller read your comment, and has offered to replace the clasp with one that is identical and in much better condition without any additional charge. Personally, I don’t mind swapping the original clasp off considering the new one is just from a different model, but same era Seamaster.

Was there anything other than the band that you thought looked like was in poor condition? Personally I think all things aside, it looks absolutely amazing for a 18 year old watch that has yet to be serviced/polished.
 
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If the guy selling has owned it since 2002, can you assume he has had the watch serviced at some time? The listing shows an Omega service red watch pouch and the bag has bracelet pins which I can assume were replaced. He should have a service report for the watch or he has bought a few little things to add to the sales pitch which would arouse suspicion in my eyes. Ask more questions about service history if any, watch does look ok but if no service card from Omega and he has all the original cards and a service pouch I’d be inclined to walk away. Plenty of these watches available. Congratulations on graduating, welcome to the forum and good luck with everything. First proper watch I ever bought myself to commemorate a promotion.
An update to this question answered by the seller:
He has taken some of his other watches in to have the clasps replaced/upgraded, and the watchmaker would return then in the service pouch. He is including the pouch in the listing. He hasn’t had it serviced because the same watchmaker suggested he not service the quartz unless he noticed any issues.
 
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It’s been a bit since I replied here. As an update to the thread and forums, everything seemed to check out great and I moved forward with the purchase. The watch came in today and all signs pointing to this being not only a beautiful watch in great condition, but a superb, understanding, and trustworthy seller. Shortly I will be posting pictures of the listing before it is taken down in order to preserve the thread for future readers. I will also be making a post for my first ever Omega purchase! Once I do I’ll link the new thread here with even more pictures of the watch in my possession.

I do have one more check to do, which is to run it by a jeweler. But as many have said, it’s pretty easy to spot a fake of this model and I have every bit of confidence that it is authentic. I will also post an update once I am able to get it into the shop to be officially checked out.
 
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A question about this sort of high end quartz watch.
Do these need servicing as often as mechanical watches?
If so what sort of prices would one expect for a full service?

I have a fairly good quality, though unbranded, Japanese quartz watch I got as a gift over thirty years ago and it still runs like a top. Only recently has it begun to gain a second or two per week, for thirty years it ran for as long as three years at a time between battery changes without gaining or losing a second. I suspect there may be an incompatibility with more recently manufactured batteries of the same number causing it to gain time, since I've read of a number of issues, some very destructive, with more recent batteries in older watches, even high end watches.
I'd read that most quartz watches use plastic bearings that don't require lubrication, are bearings in high end quartz metal?

Lastly is the OP watch a mixed quartz/mechanical?

I'm not a great fan of quartz watches but would like to know more about their history of development and mechanical details.
I recently purchased a Citizen Eco drive Chronograph and it awakened my interest. Excellent watch BTW.
 
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Prince William has a similar watch, right?

Gift from Princess Diana.
 
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A question about this sort of high end quartz watch.
Do these need servicing as often as mechanical watches?
If so what sort of prices would one expect for a full service?

I have a fairly good quality, though unbranded, Japanese quartz watch I got as a gift over thirty years ago and it still runs like a top. Only recently has it begun to gain a second or two per week, for thirty years it ran for as long as three years at a time between battery changes without gaining or losing a second. I suspect there may be an incompatibility with more recently manufactured batteries of the same number causing it to gain time, since I've read of a number of issues, some very destructive, with more recent batteries in older watches, even high end watches.
I'd read that most quartz watches use plastic bearings that don't require lubrication, are bearings in high end quartz metal?

Lastly is the OP watch a mixed quartz/mechanical?

I'm not a great fan of quartz watches but would like to know more about their history of development and mechanical details.
I recently purchased a Citizen Eco drive Chronograph and it awakened my interest. Excellent watch BTW.

Quartz watch movements do not need servicing as often as mechanical movements do. The loads on the pivots are very low, and all of that is explained here:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/quartz-watches-some-information-some-may-find-interesting.5475/

Jewels in higher end quartz watches are corundum - the same material used for jewels in mechanical watches.

I don't know what you mean by "mixed quartz/mechanical"? It is an analog quartz watch, so has a wheel train in it, but is powered by a battery and the timing is controlled by a quartz crystal.
 
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Quartz watch movements do not need servicing as often as mechanical movements do. The loads on the pivots are very low, and all of that is explained here:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/quartz-watches-some-information-some-may-find-interesting.5475/

Jewels in higher end quartz watches are corundum - the same material used for jewels in mechanical watches.

I don't know what you mean by "mixed quartz/mechanical"? It is an analog quartz watch, so has a wheel train in it, but is powered by a battery and the timing is controlled by a quartz crystal.
 
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Thanks.
I had meant to say "Jewels" rather than "metal".

"I don't know what you mean by "mixed quartz/mechanical"?
I've seen the term used, not sure what was meant by it.
There are "Mecha Quartz Chronograph movements.
I'm pretty sure my Citizen is not one of those but a Seiko Quartz Chronograph I'd almost ordered may have been since it split seconds into 1/20ths.
Then there are the Electro Mechanicals which are a whole different animal.

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A side issue.
I've read of a center seconds drive train with a shock absorbing spring, on an older Russian movement IIRC, that smoothed out the vibrations of the multiple ticks per second to relieve stress on the thin seconds hand. Apparently broken or bent seconds hands were a problem with very thin center seconds early on. I may have one of those movements, the center seconds drive being an add on to a formerly French pocket watch movement design. If so the function no longer works the second hand flopping about if held crown up. Otherwise that watch is extremely accurate despite looking like its been dragged down a gravel road.
Are there quartz movements that give a very smooth second hand motion similar to that of hi beat movements, rather than the one tick per second of common quartz movements?
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I had meant to say "Jewels" rather than "metal".

Some are metal - just holes in a plate, so no jewel. Some as you say are plastic, but higher end quartz will have jewels in them.

"I don't know what you mean by "mixed quartz/mechanical"?
I've seen the term used, not sure what was meant by it.

The reason I said I'm not sure what you mean is that there are a lot of different variations on quartz movements, and how "mechnical" they are. For example LCD watches aren't really mechnical at all, as there is no wheel train. But an analog quartz watch like this one that has actual moving parts to turn hands will have a wheel train.

In some cases, a rotor is used to power a capacitor or rechargeable battery, and they also have a wheel train, so there's more "mechnical" about those than one simply run by a regular battery.

Most quartz chronograph have a separate motor for each function, so all of the sub-dial hands will be powered by their own motor. On these watches, you can correct the hand if it isn't zeroed by using a combination of crown positions and using the pushers. The sub-dials are reset by running the motor for that hand all the way around to zero.

But others are more like a mechanical chronograph where there is one power source (so one motor) and the other functions are all run off that one source. On these, the chronograph is run off another wheel, and is reset using cams and hammers just like a mechanical chronograph is. To zero out a hand that isn't resetting properly, you have to remove the hand and reset it like you would on a mechanical chronograph.

Then there's the Spring Drive - a quartz watch run entirely off a mechanical movement. Seiko goes on and on about the research and years it took them to make this actually work. What they don't say typically, is that the hard part was getting a circuit design that would activate the braking wheel with very little power, which means very little wind left on the mainspring. If the circuit repaired too much power (would stop braking with too much wind on the mainspring) it would let the movement spin freely too much, and the hands would be flying around the dial. You can see a bit of this when you wind one up from a dead state, or if you watch t carefully just as it's running out of power - they have the consumption of the electrical circuit so low most people may not even notice it, but the hands will run faster until enough power is generated to apply the braking wheel.

Cheers, Al