EXTRACT UPDATE!! Interesting Speedmaster Prototype at Monaco Legend Auctions

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Is that watch missing the rehaut too? It looks like there is rust around the edge of the dial. Along with the chipping, the rust spot across from 85, etc, along with a caseback that looks like a Shenzen Special....Yeah. The dial does look like a real prototype of sorts, but the rest....
 
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At first glance, I thought it was a watch only a Stanford fan could love. My son went to Cal, and I still hear the chants on campus of,"Take off that RED shirt, Take off that RED shirt!"... Red is not in the color wheel on the Berkeley campus.
Off track... back to watch, the auction doesn't state how many of the limited edition watches were manufactured, perhaps, this is it. I find no offense in the words," New York is Still Here", in fact, I don't see the watch commemorating the attacks on the Twin Towers but rather honoring the spirit, and resiliency of the people of New York City. Now, is it an actual prototype, no idea? I will let the experts debate.

Personally, I find the watch unattractive... "Take of that RED watch!"
 
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Regrettably omega collecting solidly enters the rolex era....It’s out there folks..
 
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Sorry I'm not from the US so I might be missing something here.

But I find the very idea of this watch, and the sales pitch behind this watch, offensive. I'm having a lot of trouble believing that Omega would even consider a bright red speedmaster with such a cheap, jingoistic caseback to commemorate such an event.

Also if it's a 2001 prototype, why the 861 movement with serial dating to 1995? Why the discontinued bezel from a 3590.50? And people have already mentioned the tritium dial, which also looks a lot more damaged than what you'd expect from around the 2000 era...

I don't care what the purported provenance of this watch is. It's a mess.
 
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Interesting Speedmaster Prototype at Monaco Legend Auctions

Not so interesting, if you ask me.
 
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Really interesting remarks here. Owner or shareholder of MLG is Davide Parmegiani. This is the vintage kingpin and most well known dealer of all. It would surprise me if he want to risk his reputation on a fake watch. But on the other hand prototype always keeps the bells ringing

So you want us to ignore what our eyes and common sense tell us...
- period mismatched dial/movement/production (and most likely other parts (looks like a home-job parts bin special to my eyes, with a custom made caseback))
- a 2001 cal 861 (I beleive these stopped being produced in 1997, but then again, who can really say?)
- totally shagged dial uncommensurate with the exterior of the watch
- utterly ludicrous/unbeleivable ‘commemorative’ concept commemorating one of the biggest tragedies/conspiracy’s of this century
- prototype with a LE number
- that caseback 🤦
- ALL based on an extract that is obfuscated in poor resolution, and was done at a time where any remarks given by the watch owner were put on the extract

... and we should swallow this all because a big-cheese ‘kingpin’ in dealer circles who’s job it is to make lots of money off of watches to keep up his lavish lifestyle ‘has a reputation beyond reproach’?

I'm just trying to get some context here 😀 And don't get me wrong ... you have a fantastic nack for picking discussion worthy auction articles (I for one appreciate this, and thank you, and look forward to these controversy finds from you). And that reminds of the Crott auction...of a parts bin watch (because that is what it was ... there are many made-up watches with that case/bezel and random dials and movements) but that did contain a prototype Omega movement and was thus bought up by Omega and which did appear on their website, however when it did it was without the parts-bin-parts, merely a standalone movement (for obvious reasons).

To me a prototype part in a parts bin made up watch ≠ prototype watch. If I were to speculate, I would speculate that the dial could be a prototype dial (which clearly spent a lot of time external to any case, and was abused, or defective and thus did not make it into any product) and thats it. But my disclaimer to this overly long reply is that as a passionate collector/member-of-general-public/non-kingpin I have no skin in this game, my opinion is worth nothing and I could be wrong (and am happy to be wrong).

Lastly : I would really love to see a full resolution image of the extract, as well as the movement.

/E

Edit : another point...an extract after the year 2000? Anyone else have one?
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A highly sort after model, the present watch is even more collectible for its being a prototype

The wording here suggests it’s a prototype of a production model.

A highly sort after model that nobody’s heard of.

I think the auction date has been rescheduled from the 1st of April.
 
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@eugeneandresson these kind of watches immediately raise questions. I actually didn't check all the details cause I did not take time to check all. Some fair points made in this thread. So this piece is a different kind of beast and very controversial to say the least.
Still I really would like to know who made this story up? I think in all honesty it is very strange that these auction houses sell these controversial pieces. WOK was at least quite open about their prototype dial Speedmasters and the market decided.
Any new on the Extract? That could be a nice fairytale
 
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I've asked for more watch/Extract photos and a condition report, let's see what I get
 
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I don't get why people give credibility to auction houses. They are basically glorified flea-markets.
My pet peeves (all of which apply to this Speedmaster listing):
- Laughable descriptions (e.g. Absolutely Exceptional and Important)
- Photoshopped pictures
- Few pictures (often just one)
- No transparency in preventing shill bids
- Way out there commission fees and premiums (what are they for this item). Not easily seen.

People on OF complain all the time about eBay but these auction houses are IMO much worse 🤮
This watch listing would be a laughing stock it if were to appear on eBay verbatim.

 
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It’s crap. No way at all a tritium dialled 861 left Omega after 1997.
 
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They will all come out over time
Pic,s curtesy of speedmaster101
 
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There’s a cascading series of reasons to not touch this watch... and that’s even after you get past the authenticity issues.

Like why would Omega make such a thing?

Why would they make it in red?

Knowing what a bad idea such a thing is why would Omega ever let it leave the factory if it is real?

If it did leave the factory is it still the property of Omega given there is no way they would hand out such a thing as a gift or retirement present?

If it did get legitimately out of Omega why would you want a watch commemorating a terrorist attack?

and that brings us back to is it real which I quite doubt
 
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"created to commemorate the attack on the Twin Towers happened on the 11th of September 2001."

Huh? If it trully is a prototype then someone in Omega has had really bad taste.
 
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No one said omega made the prototype...
 
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Okay, folks, I don't know a lot about extracts, but this changes the game for me. Do we really think Omega would have signed off on something that says "prototype," "red dial, tritium markers" and "commemorative 11 Sept. 2001" just because someone asked them to?

 
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Okay, folks, I don't know a lot about extracts, but this changes the game for me. Do we really think Omega would have signed off on something that says "prototype," "red dial, tritium markers" and "commemorative 11 Sept. 2001" just because someone asked them to?

United-Stated🤦::facepalm1::
 
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And produced less than 3 months after the attack... Omega doesn't work that fast

Counterfeiting an older Extract is a pretty dang simple to do. There are no holographs, etc. that prevent successful copying.
 
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"created to commemorate the attack on the Twin Towers happened on the 11th of September 2001."

Huh? If it trully is a prototype then someone in Omega has had really bad taste.
Before we get too much in the face of Omega or the parties selling this piece over poor taste, let's not forget there's a gift shop in the National September 11 Memorial & Museum in NYC.
 
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Anyone thinking this is anything else than a complete fabrication needs to have his head examined.