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OptionZ
·I saw this on Chrono and it really caught my eye. But it doesn't look like much anything else. Does anyone know more about it?
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TimeODanaos
·Calibre 852, chrome plated case, definitely Bauhaus not Deco. There is a much less attractive (imo) black-dial one on the bay atm for c.$1,500. Some of the seller's photos are rather strangely lit, but I did notice from the good dial photo it says "Fab. Suisse", which may suggest French market and explain the dressier hands and numerals.
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Mafkees
·I just picked this up online. I am very curious in anticipation for this watch and I'll keep you guys updated after its arrival. Sadly, the sale did not feature the original box.
Does any of y'all have a lead on the total number produced of this ref.? I have #834 incoming.
Does any of y'all have a lead on the total number produced of this ref.? I have #834 incoming.
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Mafkees
·It has arrived. To summarize this watch in two words:
Uncompromised excellence.
Uncompromised excellence.
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·Can somebody help me decide whether we are looking at an incredibly rare dial configuration, or just a fabrication?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1967-...U-/165206816587?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276
The 'Centenaire' font, although uncommon, appears legit.
https://www.stetzcowatches.com/product/eterna-centenaire-1950s-cal-1428u-steel/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1967-...U-/165206816587?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276
The 'Centenaire' font, although uncommon, appears legit.
https://www.stetzcowatches.com/product/eterna-centenaire-1950s-cal-1428u-steel/
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TimeODanaos
·Can't see anything wrong - what's your concern? (Personally, I would worry about the caseback, which looks messed up.)
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pitpro
·Can somebody help me decide whether we are looking at an incredibly rare dial configuration, or just a fabrication?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1967-...U-/165206816587?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276
The 'Centenaire' font, although uncommon, appears legit.
https://www.stetzcowatches.com/product/eterna-centenaire-1950s-cal-1428u-steel/
This is a strange one.
The watch is NOS. None of the movement screws have been touched either,
except the one near the regulator.
Being a Centenaire And a Chronometer is a scarcity.
Having that Gold shield is also a rarity. Looks like caseback sticker glue still present.
But ask the seller what's going on with the caseback
The thing that gives me pause is the case number is indeed 1967,
but the watch screams 1957 because of the Centenaire font.
By 1967, Eterna esthetics were way past this look.
Imho, the watch is legit and probably indeed 1967, but there
is something special about it. Maybe just that it was a Chronometer
and look was to distinguish it from the regular Centenaire to help justify
a higher price.
When figuring out a strange piece you have to take all the pieces as a whole.
Dial is weird but it way to perfect to be a re-dial, And no one goes to the trouble of putting an
NOS movement and case with a re-dial for a $1k watch.
If you like it, I would buy it. The price seems fair.
That shield is a big deal.
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TimeODanaos
·I have recently seen the heavier script on a high-end early Centenaire, and by itself that's OK. But just as a caution - here is a late 1960s example (seller's photo, fair use) , with top-of-the-range everything - 18kt, chronometer, Schild caseback - it nonetheless has the later, lighter "Centenaire" logotype.
One other thing is the difference in serial numbers between case (5.4 mio) and movement (4.7 mio) is maybe a bit more than we might usually expect. Seller looks OK - so probably at least worth at least a bit more discussion with them. Good luck!
One other thing is the difference in serial numbers between case (5.4 mio) and movement (4.7 mio) is maybe a bit more than we might usually expect. Seller looks OK - so probably at least worth at least a bit more discussion with them. Good luck!
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Mafkees
·Bravo you guys, those are precisely my concerns, particularly the serial no. discrepancy. I might add that I have never seen the reflective ring on this dial on an Eterna before (it is most reminiscent of a '50s Longines Conquest). Also, the 'C' of Chronometer seems weirdly spaced in terms of distance. The rest of that word is more grouped.
As for the case back, I believe that is a case back sticker?
My Centenaire also has the lighter font and a Schild back, for what it's worth.
Also, do you guys see the difference in 'E' and 'C' in the Eterna-Matic fonts of my example and the Ebay one? Mine are straight and those are bent to the right, although consistent and very neatly.
Finally, its crown is odd.
As for the case back, I believe that is a case back sticker?
My Centenaire also has the lighter font and a Schild back, for what it's worth.
Also, do you guys see the difference in 'E' and 'C' in the Eterna-Matic fonts of my example and the Ebay one? Mine are straight and those are bent to the right, although consistent and very neatly.
Finally, its crown is odd.
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·Bravo you guys, those are precisely my concerns, particularly the serial no. discrepancy. I might add that I have never seen the reflective ring on this dial on an Eterna before (it is most reminiscent of a '50s Longines Conquest). Also, the 'C' of Chronometer seems weirdly spaced in terms of distance. The rest of that word is more grouped.
As for the case back, I believe that is a case back sticker?
My Centenaire also has the lighter font and a Schild back, for what it's worth.
Also, do you guys see the difference in 'E' and 'C' in the Eterna-Matic fonts of my example and the Ebay one? Mine are straight and those are bent to the right, although consistent and very neatly.
Finally, its crown is odd.
There are different Eterna fonts out there if you look around.
Focus on the A's. Some are flat topped and some are rounded.
Same with the E's, there is variation out there.
At the end of the day, you have to take the watch as a whole.
The case and the movement are NOS. Nobody puts a re-dial
in that. And a perfect dial at that. The crown I saw similar looking around
at pics for a while.
Look at the case and the movement screws. Perfect.
Occam's razor says it's legit.
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omg smstr
·Sorry for the poor quality of the photo, it's already dark here
Centenaire chronometer are not so rare, at home. 😉
Letf one has a serial 5.5million on the caliber 5.1million on the case
Right one has a serial 4.4million on the caliber
On the Ebay's watch
Centenaire font could be ok but I've seen it on early ones (from 1956)
I don't like E and C in ETERNA MATIC, I can't remember that font
Serial between case and caliber is quite big
There are a lot of weirdness but I still think that it could be legit
On the other hand, the shield on the back look really bad, this one won't be my 5th chronometer
Centenaire chronometer are not so rare, at home. 😉
Letf one has a serial 5.5million on the caliber 5.1million on the case
Right one has a serial 4.4million on the caliber
On the Ebay's watch
Centenaire font could be ok but I've seen it on early ones (from 1956)
I don't like E and C in ETERNA MATIC, I can't remember that font
Serial between case and caliber is quite big
There are a lot of weirdness but I still think that it could be legit
On the other hand, the shield on the back look really bad, this one won't be my 5th chronometer
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·I contacted the seller.
As I expected, the caseback only has sticker glue,
it is not corrosion.
Another data point that says NOS
You guys are going to end up talking me into buying this.😉
As I expected, the caseback only has sticker glue,
it is not corrosion.
Another data point that says NOS
You guys are going to end up talking me into buying this.😉
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seekingseaquest
·I contacted the seller.
As I expected, the caseback only has sticker glue,
it is not corrosion.
Another data point that says NOS
You guys are going to end up talking me into buying this.😉
For reference, I found these online - not identical but both have the “old” Centenaire script. The gold one is up for auction in a few days..
https://gevrilgroup.com/eterna-watches/
https://www.cortrie.de/watches/wristwatches/detail/208/4072/wristwatch-very-rare-high-quality-gold-eterna-chronometer-and-quoteterna-matic-centenaire-and-quot-from-the-50s?back=/information/search&q=Reco&start=
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·Well, not long after parting with my last Centenaire Chronometer.. this one is on its way to me..
For reference, I found these online - not identical but both have the “old” Centenaire script. The gold one is up for auction in a few days..
https://gevrilgroup.com/eterna-watches/
https://www.cortrie.de/watches/wris...he-50s?back=/information/search&q=Reco&start=
I was very close to buying it myself.
It's NOS and I think it is somehow special issue.
It's very beautiful with that reflective ring.
Was going to ask the seller if it had the original band and maybe Eterna buckle.
You should contact Eterna for details.
I found another with the exact same font.
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Mafkees
·Well, not long after parting with my last Centenaire Chronometer.. this one is on its way to me..
Please share a lot of pics with us 😀
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TimeODanaos
·Well, not long after parting with my last Centenaire Chronometer..
No worries - I'm sure it will re-emerge, probably on the thread https://omegaforums.net/threads/eterna-casebacks-the-schild-crest.113421/, I shouldn't wonder! 😉 I think there the story so far is that the "Schild-schild" predates the Centenaire brand, there are 18kt watches without it, there are chronometers without it, and there are fine s/s examples with it. Best suggestion so far came from @eternalover , it was an ad hoc promotional thing - we don't really know, but I think it's well-regarded as an attraction.
The gold one is up for auction in a few days..
Been tracking the one in Hamburg, but I'm sadly out of the money atm - it looks good (especially with that Milanese) and I really hope someone bags it for OF.
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·I asked the seller where he acquired this.
He told me Switzerland.
The watch obviously had the sticker in most of its life.
When you find an NOS watch like this you start to
imagine. What would be the reason someone gets a watch that he
doesn't wear? 1. A gift from someone and he doesn't like the
watch because its too ugly or ostentatious.( we can rule this out).
2. Achievement presentation watch. (no inscription so doubt this)
3. Maybe, like a jeweler that sold a lot of their product and the rep said here,
we had this present made up special for you, and the jeweler couldn't
decide whether to sell it or keep it and it sat in his safe while he
wore whatever he was trying to sell currently.
Did you notice that this is a Chronometer but has no minute markers,
even though it is not a thin dress watch or gold.
Again, that says Special to me.
He told me Switzerland.
The watch obviously had the sticker in most of its life.
When you find an NOS watch like this you start to
imagine. What would be the reason someone gets a watch that he
doesn't wear? 1. A gift from someone and he doesn't like the
watch because its too ugly or ostentatious.( we can rule this out).
2. Achievement presentation watch. (no inscription so doubt this)
3. Maybe, like a jeweler that sold a lot of their product and the rep said here,
we had this present made up special for you, and the jeweler couldn't
decide whether to sell it or keep it and it sat in his safe while he
wore whatever he was trying to sell currently.
Did you notice that this is a Chronometer but has no minute markers,
even though it is not a thin dress watch or gold.
Again, that says Special to me.
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