eBay/PayPal sale nervousness

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Greetings all,
I'd like a bit of advice on a fairly hefty eBay sale i made yesterday. The buyer purchased, after a few days discussion, but took around 6hrs or so to make the PayPal payment, which the buyer expressly required the use of, ostensibly for their own protection. Payments in PayPal are typically instantly available for me, but this one carries the following message in the app:

"we noticed something unusual with this payment. To protect your account, we're taking a closer look for 24hrs"

And in the website, it says:

"We're taking a closer look at this payment. It's required for some payments and normally takes up to 3 working days. Don't send until we tell you it's ok."

A strange inconsistency... but i'll let that go. I don't remember seeing such warnings before, but at c. £15k, it's a larger sum than usual. Should this be concerning me?

Another reason for suspicion, and please excuse the blatant sexism, but I found it slightly odd that the buyer was a woman, who was buying "for investment". Very unusual? The buyer has been an eBay member for 10yrs, 100% +ve feedback, one from the last month and a handful from the last 6mths.

The gap between purchase and payment was also slightly unsettling. She said she was struggling to pay in PayPal, saying "perhaps it's the amount". I don't see why it should have been difficult, or any different to paying a smaller amount...?

Have members experienced anything similar before? Does this sound familiar? Should i be concerned? The transaction smells slightly funny to me and i'm not too comfortable with it...but i can't cancel it without risking negative feedback.
Clearly i won't send anything unless i get the money cleared into my bank account.... but then PayPal also says...

"Reversals - Please be aware that this payment can still be reversed (e.g. if it is subject to a chargeback), even after you've sent the item(s) to your buyer. Complying with PayPal's Seller Protection and following the trading guidelines on our Security page helps to protect you from things like chargebacks."

What the hell does this mean? This sounds unnerving to me. I always thought the 3% fee I pay was to afford me seller protection against somehow being scammed... but it says "Seller Protection: Not Available". Why is this? Perhaps just because the payment is still 'on hold', and it will become available then....?

Given eBay divested PayPal some time ago, i'm not even sure if the seller protection by eBay is distinct from that of PayPal... if something goes wrong, (and of course if i do send it, it will be sent special delivery and fully insured) to whom do i have recourse, eBay or PayPal? I find it difficult to think i can actually lose my full £15k here (if it were so easy to lose out, surely no one would use these platforms?), particularly given the protection offered by (potentially two) big companies, assuming i follow their rules. But i'm nervous of either making an error, or something slipping through the cracks.... and taking a bath.

So, what would you do if you were me?
Thank you vm for any advice.
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As far as I know it’s a common PayPal safety mechanism to withhold the money for 24h. Had this a few days ago (with the exact same PayPal message) when I sold a watch in person and the buyer wanted to send me ~900€. It was an amount that he had never sent using PayPal.

I’m not surprised at all the safety measures kick in at ~15k tbh.

The rest I can’t really comment on, but I do wish you all the best with the sale. 😀
 
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As far as I know it’s a common PayPal safety mechanism to withhold the money for 24h. Had this a few days ago (with the exact same PayPal message) when I sold a watch in person and the buyer wanted to send me ~900€. It was an amount that he had never sent using PayPal.

I’m not surprised at all the safety measures kick in at ~15k tbh.

The rest I can’t really comment on, but I do wish you all the best with the sale. 😀

Thanks vm, MtV. I noticed that for the first few years i used it, every payment was witheld for 24hrs. But then they sent me a note saying "right, we trust you now, you'll now get the money straight away" - and i certainly did. I made a few £2-3k sales, and the payments came through immediately. So this is unusual in that regard...but then it is bigger.
 
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It was maybe ten years ago that I sold a relatively high value watch through eBay, checked with PayPal about the exact correct way to receive payment and ship it etc. Which I duly did.
It turned out to be someone trying to pull a fast one , as within a couple minutes of signing for it they had registered it as fake.
PayPal then held the money until it had been checked by a jewellers who stated it was fake- I was out a watch and £7000 as PayPal just reverse the transaction.
If you are not sure then cancel the transaction- PayPal protects the buyer .
I was very lucky.
 
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I don't like taking Paypal payments for high value items because in the event of a dispute it's too easy for an unscrupulous buyer to claim they didn't get what they paid for and take their money back. When sending the watch, I would make sure you take detailed videos of the watch whilst you package it up, weigh it and apply the postage label.

The other reason I don't like Paypal any more is that they now don't refund transaction fees if you refund the original payment (certainly this is the case in the UK now). I recently had a buyer ask to cancel an eBay transaction immediately after paying for it, which I accepted as I hadn't posted yet, but then found out that whilst I would get my eBay fees back, the Paypal fees were non-refundable. Luckily it was a low value item, but on a 15k watch, it's not insignificant!

Personally speaking, if I were you, I would try and cancel the sale.
 
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Truths you need to understand clearly:

eBay STRONGLY favors the Buyer.

Paypal STRONGLY favors the Buyer.

Both RARELY protect the Seller.

Why? Both get paid by Buyers only. That's how they stay in business.

I have been successful fighting bad buyers over the years, but I've been on eBay 24yrs and know how to do it. Even then its not easy.
 
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If PayPal clears the payment and if you comply with the seller protection rules (only ship to the provided address and require adult signature confirmation) you should be okay. In such instances, you should be protected from chargebacks.
 
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Truths you need to understand clearly:

eBay STRONGLY favors the Buyer.

Paypal STRONGLY favors the Buyer.

Both RARELY protect the Seller.

Why? Both get paid by Buyers only. That's how they stay in business.

I have been successful fighting bad buyers over the years, but I've been on eBay 24yrs and know how to do it. Even then its not easy.

Thanks @Wryfox. i'm certainly aware that eBay strongly favours the buyer... i have been on both sides of trades over 10yrs or so myself, and have certainly seen this in action. But i disagree that the buyer pays the PayPal fee...the seller does. I have paid them nearly £450, ostensibly for Seller's Protection. They should be batting for me, no?
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If PayPal clears the payment and if you comply with the seller protection rules (only ship to the provided address and require adult signature confirmation) you should be okay. In such instances, you should be protected from chargebacks.
Thanks @sgrossma, that's what i thought. But then is that invalidated by this...?


Perhaps it will become eligible when it clears... i'm not sure why it wouldn't be, otherwise?
 
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It was maybe ten years ago that I sold a relatively high value watch through eBay, checked with PayPal about the exact correct way to receive payment and ship it etc. Which I duly did.
It turned out to be someone trying to pull a fast one , as within a couple minutes of signing for it they had registered it as fake.
PayPal then held the money until it had been checked by a jewellers who stated it was fake- I was out a watch and £7000 as PayPal just reverse the transaction.
If you are not sure then cancel the transaction- PayPal protects the buyer .
I was very lucky.
Thanks @cakey007. By the last count, you were down a watch and £7k... how were you very lucky?! you must have skipped a crucial part of the story!
 
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Paypal are in my bad books at the moment.

I've recently discovered they don't refund transaction fees any more when you reverse a payment.
I've also discovered they've introduced an account "inactivity" fee.
When you do process a refund, they hold on to your money for days, meaning your buyer is unhappy having to wait, you can't move on, and they are able to keep the interest while they have the money.
Their charges are high.
Their customer support is terrible and their policies hard to understand.
They can take money out of your account if they decide you are at fault with very little investigation.
 
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I don't blame you for feeling nervous. If the buyer turns out to be unscrupulous you risk losing the watch plus the £450 PayPal fee.
I would try and do some due diligence on the buyer (web search, LinkedIn etc.) and ask them to send you proof of ID and address before you send the watch (copy of drivers licence and a utility bill). How far away from you is the delivery address?
 
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Thanks @Wryfox. i'm certainly aware that eBay strongly favours the buyer... i have been on both sides of trades over 10yrs or so myself, and have certainly seen this in action. But i disagree that the buyer pays the PayPal fee...the seller does. I have paid them nearly £450, ostensibly for Seller's Protection. They should be batting for me, no?

My point is without buyers(ie paying customers), they have no business.

Sellers, on the other hand, are plentiful, and almost disposable from my experience.
 
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I had the exact same messag from PayPal a few weeks ago.
Funds cleared the next day with no issues.
 
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I don't blame you for feeling nervous. If the buyer turns out to be unscrupulous you risk losing the watch plus the £450 PayPal fee.
I would try and do some due diligence on the buyer (web search, LinkedIn etc.) and ask them to send you proof of ID and address before you send the watch (copy of drivers licence and a utility bill). How far away from you is the delivery address?
This is a good shout. I have their address, and her name ties out as a director of a company (her husband being another director) on Company's House website, so that's reassuring. I'll ask her to provide a copy of address and ID - that's a good idea, thank you.
 
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My point is without buyers(ie paying customers), they have no business.

Sellers, on the other hand, are plentiful, and almost disposable from my experience.
Yes, that's fair. My point could equally apply to eBay...and so too your counter. Sellers are both eBay and PayPal's de jure clients, but buyers are de facto.
 
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I will no longer sell on eBay. OF and select other forums are fine for me. 👍

eBay jumped the shark for me with the recent requirement to provide a SS# (US gov’t ID) in order to sell.
 
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Thanks @sgrossma, that's what i thought. But then is that invalidated by this...?


Perhaps it will become eligible when it clears... i'm not sure why it wouldn't be, otherwise?

This should switch to eligible once the payment clears. If it doesn’t, then don’t ship.

eBay does not only favor the buyer. A long time ago this used to be true. Sellers are as important as buyers.

They have many mechanisms in place to protect both sides.

As an example:
I recently bought something cheap on eBay and it was shipped but never arrived. The seller had tracking to prove it was shipped and the shipper said it was delivered. I tried to open a case when then seller wouldn’t help me locate it or send another. I was quickly shut down by eBay b/c the seller had complied with their requirements in full.
 
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This should switch to eligible once the payment clears. If it doesn’t, then don’t ship.

eBay does not only favor the buyer. A long time ago this used to be true. Sellers are as important as buyers.

They have many mechanisms in place to protect both sides.

As an example:
I recently bought something cheap on eBay and it was shipped but never arrived. The seller had tracking to prove it was shipped and the shipper said it was delivered. I tried to open a case when then seller wouldn’t help me locate it or send another. I was quickly shut down by eBay b/c the seller had complied with their requirements in full.

that's interesting, and in a way surprising - for you to have been shut down. i long suspected the business model was on small value items for eBay just to take the hit and make good on the buyer and seller, keeping everyone happy and feeling like they've won... and eager to trade again. Bigger value items, i was never so sure where the power lies. in your example, if that was a high value item, you'd have really been in trouble.
 
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that's interesting, and in a way surprising - for you to have been shut down. i long suspected the business model was on small value items for eBay just to take the hit and make good on the buyer and seller, keeping everyone happy and feeling like they've won... and eager to trade again. Bigger value items, i was never so sure where the power lies. in your example, if that was a high value item, you'd have really been in trouble.

It was a $30 item and the seller was being rude and unhelpful. I didn't feel like getting on the phone for an hour+ to track down why the post office misdelivered my item and I certainly didn't think it was my responsibility. But apparently it was.
I opened a case on eBay and eBay ruled against me because the seller was in full compliance and they were a power seller and knew this would happen - which is why they didn't offer to help.

In any case, my point is that if you follow the rules on either side, you should be okay.

If you use common sense (don't buy a $10k steel daytona), review seller feedback and other items for sale (do they have other watch sales or high value items?), communicate with the other party (any red flags), and follow the rules your overall odds of getting screwed on ebay are very low. eBay also has the best customer service of any sales platform, anywhere. Give them a call if you have any concerns or questions.