Ebay Fake speedmaster Pro with warranty card

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Adam wouldn't sell a fake Speedmaster. "He knows a thing or two" (is an expert) ... and wouldn't post something for sale that he doesn't stand behind. I don't see a thing wrong with the watch.


Thanks brother! I’m certainly no expert on modern speedies; as we both know, the majority of my knowledge is in vintage. That being said, I’ve sold my fair share of these. This clown has been bugging me all day over this. Even after I explained to him that a) my new photos sucked (my employee was experimenting with a new lightbox. Obviously a lot of tinkering still to be done) and the pics were overexposed (no photoshop), hence why the caseback may have looked strange, b) all he had to do was go on Omega’s own site to understand he was wrong. Then he tried to educate me on 17 vs 18 jewel movements, my watch has a clone movement, etc. No less than three times, I sent him a link to Omega’s own website, showing the same caseback, movement, description of 18 jewel, etc. That wasn’t good enough. He told me to take it to omega...which I did! They confirmed on the spot that the watch was good in their records. Of course, after I sent him that, he said that wasn’t enough (even though that’s what he told me to do himself!), and his “omega Watchmakers” looked at it and said the movement was fake (to which I sent a side-by-side from the omega website press photo, showing same finishing, stamping, jewels, etc). Anyhoo, the watch came from a well-known Japanese wholesaler of primarily omega watches (and before them, a Tokyo AD), of very well repute, and the watch is without question (for me at least). Thanks all for helping to set the record straight. If you want to read some of the shenanigans I had to deal with today, head over to my IG story (@mentawatches) for a fun read. This as*****e wasted a solid afternoon of my life and time with my kids, as I was so worried there was a small chance he was right, I dropped my kids off from the park and ran over to my local boutique to be sure. Alls well that ends well i suppose.
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Don't worry, he's already abandoned this thread from the embarassment. I'm still waiting for the "known Swiss replica serial" proof.
 
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I wonder if this was the same guy on FB in the speedy group who was asking about a 78m serial.
 
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This is a pretty unusual one, OP seems to be talking garbage, I've never seen a high quality speedy fake and never heard about these well known fake serials for same. What's the motive here?
 
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I’ve learnt a ton on this forum, particularly from very knowledgeable members sharing their experience. I’ve also learnt to keep quiet if I haven’t done enough research. I think there is more than enough information available online (for younger watches) to avoid these mistakes. Vintage watches is another story, you really need to know your subject before stating something as fact. It is dangerous to advise badly when this could affect a buyer/seller in a detrimental way. It’s a shame the seller had to go to so much trouble to justify the watch.
 
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It took me a while to search for this but Chuck Maddox wrote about some of the changes in the movement, including the 18 jewel movements with a 17 jewel plate http://chronomaddox.com/moonwatch_cal_background.html if you scroll down to the part where it says "The 18th Jewel / Switch from a "Copper" colored Gilt to Yellow"

Mr Maddox did great work, but a lot of it is dated based on the information we have now. In regards to this switch he states there is little rhyme or reason. I think he also states somewhere the 18th jewel cane with the 1861. Neither of these are true We just know more now.
 
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If you read the article he suggests the switch to 18 jewels took place around 1993, which would be firmly in the cal 861 era.

"It appears from looking at Serial Numbers on various watches it appears that the 18th Jewel was added several years prior to the switch to Rhodium plating (discussed below). We also know that Omega switched from a Coppery colored Gilt Plating sometime in the 1992/1993 epoch. One would think that Omega probably did this switch around the same time."
 
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@mentawatches Seriously need to find out who this @Stylist clown is and hit him with a little slander law suit.
Guy goes on a crusade to blast you on any internet/social media outlet today for some unknown reason.
People should learn to watch their words or they’ll need to start watching the balance on their bank account dwindle...
 
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@mentawatches Seriously need to find out who this @Stylist clown is and hit him with a little slander law suit.
Guy goes on a crusade to blast you on any internet/social media outlet today for some unknown reason.
People should learn to watch their words or they’ll need to start watching the balance on their bank account dwindle...


As an attorney in my former life, I can sufficiently say that would be a colossal waste of time and resources. Besides, I would need to show damages of some kind, which i do not have in reality. Also, he wasn’t on a crusade against me per se. His ego got the better of him, and he wouldn’t relent when I told him he was wrong. I’m sure he’s read all these posts and finally realized the error in his ways...one would hope.

someone else suggested I report him to omega...now that would be interesting...
 
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He was attempting to make the watch look bad to keep the price down so he could get a deal
 
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OP has been a member for 5 1/2 years, but only 14 posts, so not a real contributor. No one knows his motive, maybe he just popped off in ignorance and then couldn't let go due to ego. It happens. He could do himself a lot of good if he just came back and said, "sorry, I overreacted". Time to move on.
 
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If you read the article he suggests the switch to 18 jewels took place around 1993, which would be firmly in the cal 861 era.

"It appears from looking at Serial Numbers on various watches it appears that the 18th Jewel was added several years prior to the switch to Rhodium plating (discussed below). We also know that Omega switched from a Coppery colored Gilt Plating sometime in the 1992/1993 epoch. One would think that Omega probably did this switch around the same time."

it was 1988-89 as has been confirmed on Omegas and other watches with the same movement. The actual change of wording happened later around 1993, which is also seen in non omegas with the same movement. Both of these changes predate the 1861.
 
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it is crazy to affirm "fake omega blablabla"...to pretend to have such a knowledge to be 100% sure without asking opinion...to denounce on a forum someone which is a "famous" dealer...and then to run away without any apology...that's impertinent...where are the good manners gone ?!
 
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Make sure you know what you're discussing before damaging someone's listing... I'm not knowledgable enough to chime in on the watch, but extremely reputable seller with a spotless reputation.
 
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...where are the good manners gone ?!
They went away with the anonymity of the internet.
 
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OP has been a member for 5 1/2 years, but only 14 posts, so not a real contributor. No one knows his motive, maybe he just popped off in ignorance and then couldn't let go due to ego. It happens. He could do himself a lot of good if he just came back and said, "sorry, I overreacted". Time to move on.
He apparently told Adam he was an omega rep in the past ::facepalm1:: Utterly laughable