Dont only buy the seller, do your homework too

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I wasnt trying to criticise or call anyone out. I was merely trying to share my experience about not doing enough research prior. Apologies if it seemed like I was bashing the seller.
 
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I wasnt trying to criticise or call anyone out. I was merely trying to share my experience about not doing enough research prior. Apologies if it seemed like I was bashing the seller.
I Know, I was was just as I've said, speaking 'In general' 馃槈
Some people just have to say something to look like experts... :whipped:
 
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This has nothing to do with this particular post but...
With all respect to all OF members, I met about a week ago in Milano a customer who bought me a rare UG, he showed me his UG collection, it was very impressive both by quality and quantity.
So I asked him if he was a member or posting his watches on forums like OF or else and he told me that he doesn't do that because in the forums there are always people making critics like experts and 'bashing' good watches...
Actually, I like the forum but I have to agree with him sometimes...馃槈
My first post on UG forums and I was informed I had a re-dial. The sinking feeling was quickly cured by the intervention Of folks who knew their subject. I had a perfectly good watch with what we now know to be a service dial and moon. The thread @bgrisso referenced is my favorite OF thread, is well informed and must be read from the beginning. To do otherwise is to jump to incorrect conclusions and then poison the well.
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This has nothing to do with this particular post but...
With all respect to all OF members, I met about a week ago in Milano a customer who bought me a rare UG, he showed me his UG collection, it was very impressive both by quality and quantity.
So I asked him if he was a member or posting his watches on forums like OF or else and he told me that he doesn't do that because in the forums there are always people making critics like experts and 'bashing' good watches...
Actually, I like the forum but I have to agree with him sometimes...馃槈

We all know and see this happening sometimes. After a while, you can start seeing redials everywhere.

But the fact that this kind of thing happens a bit on the forums (say 10%) is IMO a necessary evil compared to correcting the overwhelming (call it the remaining 90%) amount of BS and misinformation (intentional or otherwise) coming from many sellers (but not all).

just my 2 cents.....
 
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I met about a week ago in Milano a customer who bought me a rare UG, he showed me his UG collection, it was very impressive both by quality and quantity...

F for YOU to be impressed by another鈥檚 UG collection means your Italian connection could only be Signor Sala himself, surely?馃槑

Are you allowed to tell us about the finest UG you saw there? Enquiring minds want to know...
 
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F for YOU to be impressed by another鈥檚 UG collection means your Italian connection could only be Signor Sala himself, surely?馃槑

Are you allowed to tell us about the finest UG you saw there? Enquiring minds want to know...

...I, too, am intrigued! That said, we know @10H10 is a gentleman: surely we can鈥檛 expect him to kiss-and-tell.
 
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Slight bit of devil's advocate here, but there aren't a lot of "this is what to look for" threads, so if someone (read: me) points out something - let's say 'unusual' - about a watch, the community may gently (I hope) offer education. I don't see that as me bashing a watch and there aren't many other ways for people (again: me) to learn what is and isn't correct.

I still have no idea how that dial is distinguished as service vs original at a glance, but some of you appear to be able to do it so it must be a teachable skill.
 
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I still have no idea how that dial is distinguished as service vs original at a glance, but some of you appear to be able to do it so it must be a teachable skill.

You have no idea beacuse there are NOT service dials in UG.
There are authentic dials, and fake dials. That's all 馃榾
 
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You have no idea beacuse there are NOT service dials in UG.
There are authentic dials, and fake dials. That's all 馃榾

I'm curious about your source for that assertion. There has been talk of UG refurbishing dials during the service process (admittedly not the same as a service redial where the dial is swapped out) and it came to my attention when I introduced this watch (which I now keep for spare parts as there was never much mileage in trying to bring it back in its current state).

https://omegaforums.net/threads/compur-with-calibre-283-thoughts.34265/
 
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My source is just the fact that during 40s UG refs were made to distinguish cases and not dials. Dials are not always the same for the same ref. This is a very important point to understand if somebody wants to start collecting UG.
Dials are always different and they can be:
1) true Ug dials
2) fake or reprinted UG dials

There are NOT forniture dials simply because don't exist a specific pattern between dials and refs. For instance, a steel Unicompax can have a white or black or grey dial, roman or arabic indexes, radium, not radium, no scales or multiscale, always with the same reference numbers.
 
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You have no idea beacuse there are NOT service dials in UG.
There are authentic dials, and fake dials. That's all 馃榾
Your honor, if it may please the court, I'd like to revise my statement: I still have no idea how that (or any) dial is distinguished as fake vs real at a glance because the experts only leave one word answers.
 
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You have no idea beacuse there are NOT service dials in UG.
There are authentic dials, and fake dials. That's all 馃榾

There is a lengthy thread on the subject of THIS kind of dial (below) being a service dial, which seems widely accepted by the forum. That thread is linked in the first post on this thread and you need to read from start to finish.



This current thread is tackling another issue ......... if there are OTHER types of service and/or factory reprint dials, and is the dial in the watch starting this thread an example, or not. This exact watch is discussed at the end of the other thread discussing the other type of service dial, but doesn't get resolved as far as I can tell, so it's an outstanding question. Is the dial in this watch in this thread an original transplant from a later Tri, is it a different type of service/factory reprint dial, or simply a redial? I don't know and don't have the research time.

Is this all rather confusing? Yes. Thats why I keep wading in here to try and keep the record straight. Unless I'm totally confused, in which case please correct me 馃槈
 
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Yes you're right, I forgot about this Tri( )Compax dial.
I red that topic a year ago more or less, and I completely forgot it because I don't really like TriCompaxes! 馃榿

But question is not so easy: we are not speaking like in Rolex, or other brands. Dials in UG world are a complex thing, and, basically, not easy to solve.
These Tricompaxes dials are easily recognizable because they are the only known examples (so far) with the emply space between Tri and Compax words, all whit the same features.
I understand your point. But question now is larger: what makes a dial, a furniture dial? In UG i mean.
Tri Compaxes are models very popular and made for like 15 years, a different thing is to think about dials for Compur or Aero-Compax watches. For sure there were more common dial design that others, but imho a furniture dial is something made in a second moment to fix a previous watch.
At the moment I don't know other dials with these features, for other types of watch.
There are some simple Uni-Compax dials sometimes available, but they looks authentic, with no differences, to some said as legit. So maybe during the 40s or 50s, if (for instance) a Compur dial was damaged, they gave the owner another dial, or maybe a Uni-Compax dial. In some cases the references was the same, for Uni-Compax and Compur watch.
It's a very complex situation, I agree with you.
But to summarize, I tend to think simpler, original OR fake. Because we don't have certain instruments, at the moment, to think differently. With the exception of that Tri( )Compax dial.
That is, moreover, very nice! But this is another thing.

In conclusion, sorry to summarize too much! 馃榾
 
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I think we are getting a bad Italian to English translation with "furniture" dial.

I agree it is interesting/odd that we have only seen these consistent UG "service" dials for Tri Compax, and not for any other model UG.

But more importantly, you don't like Tri Compax? 馃槻
 
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Ahah yes! I tend to prefer less busy dials.
On the other hand, I like triple calendar UGs.
 
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I'm struggling to understand how you can state the whole issue is very complex and then move to a statement using the words "think simpler". To be honest I can't follow a huge amount of you're reasoning but I'll put that down to machine translation.

One thing I have learnt from this forum is that there's nothing simple about vintage UG.
 
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Because imho these two things are complementary.
It's very "simple" to recognize a true UG dial, once you've studied them a lot. That is complex 馃榿

There are some recurrent features, spotting redials is not so complex, mostly because UG dials are so many that is not easy, for forgers, to understand what to copy.
It's probably easier for 60's examples, because more standard and more valuable.

This is just my opinion, maybe it's easy for me and complex for others, maybe I am just terribly lucky.

The best instrument you can have is Sala's book. In these archives you have tons of pics of UG dials, with tons of graphics. My advice is to study very well that book. That is not infallible, but it's a very good tool.
 
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Because imho these two things are complementary.
It's very "simple" to recognize a true UG dial, once you've studied them a lot. That is complex 馃榿

There are some recurrent features, spotting redials is not so complex, mostly because UG dials are so many that is not easy, for forgers, to understand what to copy.
It's probably easier for 60's examples, because more standard and more valuable.

This is just my opinion, maybe it's easy for me and complex for others, maybe I am just terribly lucky.

The best instrument you can have is Sala's book. In these archives you have tons of pics of UG dials, with tons of graphics. My advice is to study very well that book. That is not infallible, but it's a very good tool.
I totally agree.
 
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I鈥檓 glad your story has a good ending. From my perspective, this sort of miss-step from the dealer is inexcusable. That, after all, is his source of living and area of expertise, which is why his prices command a premium. All the leg work / research has been done and documented. That effort, knowledge and reputation is what鈥檚 at stake each time a watch is sold. I imagine a person with vast ties surely knew the circumstances of the watch but became complacent. The dealer community is very small, watches have reputation and stories behind them, I would bet he had a hunch.....
 
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That's a bit clearer. Thanks.

I still don't think it's that simple though 馃榾.