DON bezels... the new bubble?

MSNWatch · Mar 28, 2015

At least as far as the nice vintage DON bezels are concerned, there will never be a bubble - because the supply will always be limited. Not really worried about the modern reproductions - even IF they are perfect they have to be paired with a pristine case, dial, hands and movement. And if the rest of the watch looked that good then that vintage bezel will also look great. If you have an average watch with a pristine bezel then alarms start to go off.

Tjmmartin · Mar 28, 2015

I'm sure i'm going to make myself very unpopular!...thats not the intention. I respect the knowledge of forum members here.
Just to extend the argument further, what is considered counterfeit / fake here in the automotive industry is referred to as aftermarket ( and i'm afraid i must admit to having aftermarket cheaper parts fitted to my car - I accept there is a counterfeit market as well but that is where parts are passed off as original when they are not ).
I suppose it comes down to whether you are trying to pass something off as original or not.
If there are copy DON bezels out there then surely the ethos of this forum is to expose them rather than suggesting that any "tells" are not specified.
I'll retreat and put a book down my pants now for my expected beating.

Giff2577 · Mar 28, 2015

dennisthemenace
Why not just change the insert on the bezel you have?

That is possible but I want to be able keep my original bezel and switch back and forth.

robocaspar · Mar 28, 2015

One's at 1250$ USD right now. Woo weee

Kringkily · Mar 28, 2015

Good thing I've been stripping DON since last year 😀

gemini4 · Mar 28, 2015

At this moment, the same bidder, u****s(1410), is the leading bidder for at least 3 DON bezels. I wonder if everything is kosher with the bidding?? 7 min to go in the first DON. I will be interested if Mr. u******s really wants it or if he he's a rabbit.

gemini4 · Mar 28, 2015

At the hammer, Bidder U*****S backed off and let it go to someone else for only $25 more???? Anyone else smell something wrong here?

Varnado · Mar 28, 2015

I'll tell you something...The next DON is on a 2998 case. The case has some pitting and corrosion but, it could easily be repaired. To show you how crazy this has become, I bet the case with DON sells for less than the last DON at $1280. Why, because they are putting NO value on the case and the DON in this auction is only ever so slightly less perfect than the original auction. Now thats crazy..

X350 XJR · Mar 28, 2015

Gemini4
At the hammer, Bidder U*****S backed off and let it go to someone else for only $25 more???? Anyone else smell something wrong here?

$25.00 is simply the next eBay bid increment.

Everyone has their limit.

Tjmmartin · Mar 28, 2015

I'm disappointed that despite clearly strong feelings no one has replied to my comments above ( an attempt to initiate a honest and open discussion ) although given the international audience this forum attracts I appreciate the issue of time delays etc.
I accept the concept of "market value", but behind that there must be a driving force. I suspect that this forum is a significant influencing factor. When I purchased my 105.003 I was blissfully unaware it had the wrong bezel....my mistake I totally accept. It was only after I joined this forum that I appreciated my mistake and as a consequence began to desire a DON! I am not suggesting this forum is the only influencing factor but it is probably the most valuable resource regarding Omegas and does seem to hold strong ( and appropriate ) views regarding authenticity. My question is "is there a role for after market ( not fake or counterfeit ) omega parts?"...there certainly is in the vintage car market. I am genuinely interested in the views of the more senior members of the forum and arguments as to why such a market would be considered inappropriate.......and just to confirm I don't have a small engineering business!

Varnado · Mar 28, 2015

On member out of thousands claims to have seen a counterfeit DON. I have never seen one and I look for them all the time. I personally do not believe they exist, no disrespect to the poster who claims they exist. Show me the money as they say, or I dont believe it. Heck, show us a picture of one, not the source, because I have never seen a single one.

I will say this...Because these bezels have skyrocketed in the past few weeks, I feel that our watches (the ones with DON's) have also increased in value by the same percentage because the cost of the part has to be factored into the cost of the watch. Thats how it works with Rolex, Fat Font faded inserts add their value to the overall cost of the watch.

cicindela · Mar 28, 2015

Tjmmartin
I'm disappointed that despite clearly strong feelings no one has replied to my comments above ( an attempt to initiate a honest and open discussion ) although given the international audience this forum attracts I appreciate the issue of time delays etc.
I accept the concept of "market value", but behind that there must be a driving force. I suspect that this forum is a significant influencing factor. When I purchased my 105.003 I was blissfully unaware it had the wrong bezel....my mistake I totally accept. It was only after I joined this forum that I appreciated my mistake and as a consequence began to desire a DON! I am not suggesting this forum is the only influencing factor but it is probably the most valuable resource regarding Omegas and does seem to hold strong ( and appropriate ) views regarding authenticity. My question is "is there a role for after market ( not fake or counterfeit ) omega parts?"...there certainly is in the vintage car market. I am genuinely interested in the views of the more senior members of the forum and arguments as to why such a market would be considered inappropriate.......and just to confirm I don't have a small engineering business!

If you want aftermarket bezels, they are available now. If you want to talk about market parts that are indistinguishable from Omega parts we have zero tolerance for showing, selling or discussions proposing fakes, replicas or counterfeits; or advocating their use. Tread lightly folks.

oddboy · Mar 28, 2015

Tjmmartin
My question is "is there a role for after market ( not fake or counterfeit ) omega parts?"

I think it will be interesting to see what happens once Omega parts are no longer readily available. I think perhaps it may only be a matter of time before we start to see 'aftermarket' parts showing up. It might be hard to get the outside parks right - bezels, dials, hands.. but movement parts.. I think it will happen.

There was a thread last fall about printing parts with a 3D printer. That is probably not all that likely, but may enable shops to prototype and ultimately mass produce them.

gemini4 · Mar 28, 2015

Tjmmartin
I'm disappointed that despite clearly strong feelings no one has replied to my comments above ( an attempt to initiate a honest and open discussion ) although given the international audience this forum attracts I appreciate the issue of time delays etc.
I accept the concept of "market value", but behind that there must be a driving force. I suspect that this forum is a significant influencing factor. When I purchased my 105.003 I was blissfully unaware it had the wrong bezel....my mistake I totally accept. It was only after I joined this forum that I appreciated my mistake and as a consequence began to desire a DON! I am not suggesting this forum is the only influencing factor but it is probably the most valuable resource regarding Omegas and does seem to hold strong ( and appropriate ) views regarding authenticity. My question is "is there a role for after market ( not fake or counterfeit ) omega parts?"...there certainly is in the vintage car market. I am genuinely interested in the views of the more senior members of the forum and arguments as to why such a market would be considered inappropriate.......and just to confirm I don't have a small engineering business!

I don't know very much about the market for aftermarket parts for vintage cars but I would venture to guess that this market exists because there aren't any authentic parts available for many old cars. I don't think anyone junks a 57 Chevy Bel Air anymore. If you have such a car and need a part, a mirror, hubcap whatever, you can't get them anywhere. So an aftermarket exists for parts.

This is not the case in the vintage watch market. For vintage Speedmasters, all parts are out there, they are just getting more expensive because the underlying watches are as well.

Tjmmartin · Mar 28, 2015

Thank you for your replies! I must emphasise I'm talking about aftermarket, not fake or counterfeit parts ( maybe with a makers stamp visible on the undersurface of the part ). Given the current prices i'm sure it is a matter of time and it is something that this forum needs to have an opinion on rather than ignoring.

Tjmmartin · Mar 28, 2015

cicindela
If you want aftermarket bezels, they are available now. If you want to talk about market parts that are indistinguishable from Omega parts we have zero tolerance for showing, selling or discussions proposing fakes, replicas or counterfeits; or advocating their use. Tread lightly folks.

Ive not seen an aftermarket DON bezel

cicindela · Mar 28, 2015

Tjmmartin
Ive not seen an aftermarket DON bezel

Exactly

cicindela · Mar 28, 2015

Tjmmartin
Thank you for your replies! I must emphasise I'm talking about aftermarket, not fake or counterfeit parts ( maybe with a makers stamp visible on the undersurface of the part ). Given the current prices i'm sure it is a matter of time and it is something that this forum needs to have an opinion on rather than ignoring.

There is nothing now requiring aftermarket items to have identification as such, only that they don't copy manufacturers marks. I will regard these as replicas, i.e., counterfeit. This forum already has an opinion, please read the rules.

Tjmmartin · Mar 28, 2015

I'm afraid to say I would buy an aftermarket, clearly marked, DON bezel if they were available. As my previous posts state, not to hoodwink some unsuspecting buyer, purely for "aesthetic" reasons. Yes I would love an original DON bezel but at the prices they are commanding now I struggle to justify it. I'm sure the reply from some will be "well if you can't afford a genuine bezel then maybe you should think twice about collecting Omegas". I'm looking for a 105.012 and won't make the same mistake I made with my 105.003, however I'm not prepared to pay £1000 to rectify that mistake.

Tjmmartin · Mar 28, 2015

Coco deal I respect your comments, could you direct me to the rules.
Cheers
Tim

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