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Do you consider the Speedmaster to be a luxury watch?
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Motman
路I think it's worth noting that your wrist won't survive 5,000Gs, let alone 50,000.
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I think even 50 G's would finish most of us off.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/breaking-point-whats-strongest-g-force-humans-can-tolerate-369246
"It鈥檚 difficult to calculate the exact level of G-force that would kill a human, because the duration of exposure is such an important factor. There are isolated incidents of humans surviving abnormally high G-forces, most notably the Air Force officer John Stapp, who demonstrated a human can withstand 46.2 G鈥檚. The experiment only went on a few seconds, but for an instant, his body had weighed over 7,700 pounds, according to NOVA."
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ras47
路As I see it, precious metals are a hallmark of a "luxury" watch. Stainless steel is the hallmark of a tool watch. So any of the Rolex sport models that come in SS are not luxury watches. Nor is the Omega Speedmaster.
Also, with the Speedy, it's been official gear for NASA. And NASA doesn't do luxury. So no, the Speedmaster is not a luxury watch. Damn fine watch - sure. Love mine. But it's no luxury watch.
Also, with the Speedy, it's been official gear for NASA. And NASA doesn't do luxury. So no, the Speedmaster is not a luxury watch. Damn fine watch - sure. Love mine. But it's no luxury watch.
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ctpete
路Is the Speedmaster a luxury watch, you ask?
In my opinion, yes. In the same way that Mercedes makes a Sprinter work van.
In my opinion, yes. In the same way that Mercedes makes a Sprinter work van.
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Fritz
路If Joe Average can't afford it or it causes him great pain to buy it (monetary or marital) then its a luxury item
When a good quartz watch that will last years and keep very very accurate time can be easily had for $200, how can a less accurate piece that cost thousands, and then regularly requires service costing hundreds, be anything but a luxury item.
Its a luxury item or a very stupid buy based on the above criteria!
kind of like all our mechanical pieces if we're brutally honest.
When a good quartz watch that will last years and keep very very accurate time can be easily had for $200, how can a less accurate piece that cost thousands, and then regularly requires service costing hundreds, be anything but a luxury item.
Its a luxury item or a very stupid buy based on the above criteria!
kind of like all our mechanical pieces if we're brutally honest.
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oddboy
路I was thinking about this question and then I realized that I don't really care whether it's considered a luxury watch or not. Buy what you like.
But then, that got me thinking.. What is OP asking? Are you asking why Omega sets the price for the Speedmaster as it does (answer: because it can)? Or asking if a Speedmaster is worth the asking price that Omega lists it for (answer it's worth what people will pay)? Or something else (answer: 42)?
I'm with the crowd that says it's a non-essential item, therefore luxury, but I'm not sure if that's the actual question OP asked.
Anyway, interesting points articulated as always.
But then, that got me thinking.. What is OP asking? Are you asking why Omega sets the price for the Speedmaster as it does (answer: because it can)? Or asking if a Speedmaster is worth the asking price that Omega lists it for (answer it's worth what people will pay)? Or something else (answer: 42)?
I'm with the crowd that says it's a non-essential item, therefore luxury, but I'm not sure if that's the actual question OP asked.
Anyway, interesting points articulated as always.
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watchmavan
路As I see it, precious metals are a hallmark of a "luxury" watch. Stainless steel is the hallmark of a tool watch. So any of the Rolex sport models that come in SS are not luxury watches. Nor is the Omega Speedmaster.
Also, with the Speedy, it's been official gear for NASA. And NASA doesn't do luxury. So no, the Speedmaster is not a luxury watch. Damn fine watch - sure. Love mine. But it's no luxury watch.
Folks I think you might need to look online in any one of 100 dictionaries and look up "luxury".
Speedmaster, comfortable [emoji106]
Speedmaster, not a necessity [emoji106]
Speedmaster, desirable [emoji106]
Speedmaster, expensive [emoji106]
Now before some of you get on your high horse on the last one, I think the notion of expensive is in the context of watches, not just the watches more expensive. If a person has a need for a watxh to tell the time they're hardly going to have a Speedmaster as the one picked out when they can go into a gas station and grab one for $10.
Can some of you afford watches far more luxurious that a Speedy? Yes certainly, but just because YOU can doesn't mean that luxury gets redefined. When NASA first went to the moon then yes perhaps a lot more people could afford a Speedy but mechanical watch prices don't carry the same relativity they once did.
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ac106
路As I see it, precious metals are a hallmark of a "luxury" watch. Stainless steel is the hallmark of a tool watch. So any of the Rolex sport models that come in SS are not luxury watches. Nor is the Omega Speedmaster.
Also, with the Speedy, it's been official gear for NASA. And NASA doesn't do luxury. So no, the Speedmaster is not a luxury watch. Damn fine watch - sure. Love mine. But it's no luxury watch.
So like no on AP Royal Oak, PP nautilus 5712, JLC reverso etc?
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Df13
路As I see it, precious metals are a hallmark of a "luxury" watch. Stainless steel is the hallmark of a tool watch. So any of the Rolex sport models that come in SS are not luxury watches. Nor is the Omega Speedmaster.
Also, with the Speedy, it's been official gear for NASA. And NASA doesn't do luxury. So no, the Speedmaster is not a luxury watch. Damn fine watch - sure. Love mine. But it's no luxury watch.
I think it depends on how you use it. My Omega and Rolex watches are tool watches, because I use them without worry for their intended purposes. If I worried about scratching or damaging my watches, and therefore babied them, I'd probably consider them luxury items.
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watchmavan
路I think it depends on how you use it. My Omega and Rolex watches are tool watches, because I use them without worry for their intended purposes. If I worried about scratching or damaging my watches, and therefore babied them, I'd probably consider them luxury items.
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Df13
路Why does worry impact on luxury? It has no bearing. You can buy the most expensive watch made and not be overly concerned about damaging it. You have failed to understand what luxury means.
I'm talking about usage and perspective. Whether it's a nice watch, some expensive leather boots, or a Land Rover, some use them in adverse conditions as their design originally intended, while others baby them and only take them to the mall.
I can see a Speedmaster being considered as either a tool or a luxury item, depending on the user.
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Wills
路So like no on AP Royal Oak, PP nautilus 5712, JLC reverso etc?
They are way above a Rolex SS sports watch which are 拢5k-8K not in the same league as PP or AP I know Rolex wearers like to think they are but they just aren't. My old 16710 GMT II was great watch but it wasn't luxury watch, the clasp was thin folded metal it did the job but in no way is it/was it a luxury item.
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watchmavan
路I'm talking about usage and perspective. Whether it's a nice watch, some expensive leather boots, or a Land Rover, some use them in adverse conditions as their design originally intended, while others baby them and only take them to the mall.
I can see a Speedmaster being considered as either a tool or a luxury item, depending on the user.
Not disputing that it can BE a tool. The two however are not mutually exclusive as there are hundreds of options that are more affordable by magnitude of more than 10.
A car is a tool but if you are driven in a Rolls Royce everywhere you go rather than buying a common model less expensive make. It's still luxury, as is the Omega compared the the vast, overwhelming options that are available.
Usage and the individual's affordablity don't affect the meaning of "luxury" otherwise there would be 64 million definitions for luxury. Defining words are not individual things. Communication is built on common understandings and meanings. They aren't altered by the affordability of the individual or the intended useage.
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Df13
路Not disputing that it can BE a tool. The two however are not mutually exclusive as there are hundreds of options that are more affordable by magnitude of more than 10.
A car is a tool but if you are driven in a Rolls Royce everywhere you go rather than buying a common model less expensive make. It's still luxury, as is the Omega compared the the vast, overwhelming options that are available.
Usage and the individual's affordablity don't affect the meaning of "luxury" otherwise there would be 64 million definitions for luxury. Defining words are not individual things. Communication is built on common understandings and meanings. They aren't altered by the affordability of the individual or the intended useage.
Of course luxury is relative. I'm sure we both consider a Rolls Royce to be a luxury item, but what about a BMW 3 series? I'd imagine some think so, some don't.
I'd personally consider a Patek Calatrava to be a luxury item, but I'd call the Speedmaster a tool.
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watchmavan
路Of course luxury is relative. I'm sure we both consider a Rolls Royce to be a luxury item, but what about a BMW 3 series? I'd imagine some think so, some don't.
I'd personally consider a Patek Calatrava to be a luxury item, but I'd call the Speedmaster a tool.
Ok so you are redefining the meaning of the word luxury then? I can't seem to find one that fits yours.
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Df13
路Ok so you are redefining the meaning of the word luxury then? I can't seem to find one that fits yours.
How about the very first definition on dictionary.com, which even uses an example that is relative:
- a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity. Example: Gold cufflinks were a luxury not allowed for in his budget.
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watchmavan
路How about the very first definition on dictionary.com, which even uses an example that is relative:
- a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity. Example: Gold cufflinks were a luxury not allowed for in his budget.
By your definition provided previously, gold cuff links would not be luxury for the "individual" that can afford platinum links. Whereas the one provided here supports my premise that just because the links are gold, that alone equates to the premise of luxury. Just as the Speedy on cost compared to what could be had with more accuracy can be had for a tenth of the cost.
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SteveHH
路A material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity.
Hmm, well, a giant watch that has complications that us mortals will likely never use sounds like a "refinement of living rather than a necessity" to me. In other words, a luxury item.
Hmm, well, a giant watch that has complications that us mortals will likely never use sounds like a "refinement of living rather than a necessity" to me. In other words, a luxury item.
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Rman
路I own a titanium hammer. Is it a luxury hammer?
Depends on the marketing, to me it's just a nice tool.
Depends on the marketing, to me it's just a nice tool.
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