Do Omegas go up in value?

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Well, in one way I think you may be right. Old Omegas (I’ve assumed this thread is about old Omegas) may not go up in value but, in the last four or five years, they’ve certainly gone up in price.

I’m not posting about pristine collectibles, Constellations, Speedmasters etc, but regular vintage Omegas, whether in good condition or not, are fetching prices far greater than when I started collecting in the not too distant past and what I might have once hoped to pick up for £200-300 is now priced at £500-750.

True, but if you buy that older Omega today for 500-750 GBP, is there any guarantee that it is will be worth 1000-1500 a few years from now? 10 years from now? I wouldn’t want to take that bet with an Omega. With a Rolex, maybe, but only because non watch collectors flock to them and spend stupid money to have that name on their wrist. (And, BTW, I just purchased an older Rolex Explorer, but I also waited until I found a piece that was on the low end of current market rates. I bought it because I wanted the watch, not because I expected it to go up in value).
 
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True, but if you buy that older Omega today for 500-750 GBP, is there any guarantee that it is will be worth 1000-1500 a few years from now? 10 years from now? I wouldn’t want to take that bet with an Omega. With a Rolex, maybe, but only because non watch collectors flock to them and spend stupid money to have that name on their wrist. (And, BTW, I just purchased an older Rolex Explorer, but I also waited until I found a piece that was on the low end of current market rates. I bought it because I wanted the watch, not because I expected it to go up in value).

That older Omega was 200-300 GBP only 10 years ago 😗
In 2008 - 2011 $10000 Speedmasters sat for weeks on EBay at $1000
 
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True, but if you buy that older Omega today for 500-750 GBP, is there any guarantee that it is will be worth 1000-1500 a few years from now? 10 years from now? I wouldn’t want to take that bet with an Omega. With a Rolex, maybe, but only because non watch collectors flock to them and spend stupid money to have that name on their wrist. (And, BTW, I just purchased an older Rolex Explorer, but I also waited until I found a piece that was on the low end of current market rates. I bought it because I wanted the watch, not because I expected it to go up in value).
I didn’t say that the value was likely to go up, just that prices had gone up.
 
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(Peeve of mine). It isn't helping that Omega /Swatch have ABANDONED parts support on older movements combined with their stubborn attitude about selling parts to your friendly local watchmaker. How hard could it POSSIBLY be to make another run of repair parts for at least the more popular movements with today's technology?

I realize that it isn't always in their best interest to keep antiques going, but you'd think that a high end Swiss brand would take pride in keeping older watches running practically forever. I've read that you are SOL on even Rolex core movement parts after 30 years. WTF? A watch is "just getting broken in" after 30 years to me.
 
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I don’t know how you afford so many watches. I have two omegas and am looking to make another purchase at present. I can’t fathom how some of you have the collections you do!

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(Peeve of mine). It isn't helping that Omega /Swatch have ABANDONED parts support on older movements combined with their stubborn attitude about selling parts to your friendly local watchmaker. How hard could it POSSIBLY be to make another run of repair parts for at least the more popular movements with today's technology?

I realize that it isn't always in their best interest to keep antiques going, but you'd think that a high end Swiss brand would take pride in keeping older watches running practically forever. I've read that you are SOL on even Rolex core movement parts after 30 years. WTF? A watch is "just getting broken in" after 30 years to me.

Omega will sell parts to any watchmaker who really wants them. They just need to meet the requirements, which are not really all that arduous if you have a well equipped shop.

The range of vintage parts that are still available is an issue certainly, but the fact that you can still get parts for pretty much all the mechanical movements from the 550 series onwards, is still very good compared to other brands like Rolex.
 
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Omega will sell parts to any watchmaker who really wants them. They just need to meet the requirements, which are not really all that arduous if you have a well equipped shop.

Yeah, I understand about the requirements and restrictions. It seems reasonable for watches that are, say, 10 years old or less where the reputation of the company is potentially at stake. Why should Swatch care what level of service people get on a 1960s or 1970s watch? (As if people are going to blame Omega if the minute hand falls off a 1960s watch a month after the watch is serviced at a local watchmaker).

This policy on antique parts just seems greedy and stupid even if "all companies do it". Not everybody is comfortable shipping antique watches all over the world to get them worked on. Not everyone lives in a part of the world where they have their choice of authorized repair centers. I'm a hobbist who works on everything except chronograph movements myself and I cuss them every time I have to hoard a whole parts movement every time I need something. Of course Omega is a private company and they can do what they want. I just question the long term wisdom of their decisions.
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Why should Swatch care what level of service people get on a 1960s or 1970s watch?

 
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They don't get to have it both ways (in customer's eyes anyway). They don't get to care about the level of service on antique watches that they won't even support themselves anymore. Of course, you can have almost any movement part made if you're willing to pay, but now we're talking about serious restorations and not just collector's items.
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They don't get to have it both ways (in customer's eyes anyway). They don't get to care about the level of service on antique watches that they won't even support themselves anymore. Of course, you can have almost any movement part made if you're willing to pay, but now we're talking about serious restorations and not just collector's items.

I’m not sure I’m following your argument. Omega watches are collected because they look nice, are reliable and accurate year on year and they have a cachet.

It’s not just PP who say in their adverts, 'You never really own a PP, you just …..', all good brands are protective of their image, reputation and longevity/value.
 
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They don't get to have it both ways (in customer's eyes anyway). They don't get to care about the level of service on antique watches that they won't even support themselves anymore. Of course, you can have almost any movement part made if you're willing to pay, but now we're talking about serious restorations and not just collector's items.

As a hobbyist I can understand your frustration not being able to get parts, and to be clear as I've said many times before, I'm all for the open and free distribution of parts. However you initially said that they won't sell parts to "your friendly local watchmaker" which is completely false.

I'll be honest - I've heard a lot of whining from watchmakers who relied on third party resellers for parts, claiming to have been "cut off by Omega", when they never had any relationship with Omega to begin with. All they have to do is apply for an account, and make sure they meet the requirements, and go for a bit of training/testing. None of this is difficult, but people are either too stubborn or too afraid of failure to take the steps needed. The fact is, Omega is far better for parts access and retaining the ability to repair vintage than a lot of others.

Omega is not obligated to support watches forever, and under current laws not obligated to sell parts to anyone who asks. This is clearly a major issue with you as you've mentioned it in a few threads, but doing so isn't going to solve the problem. So if you are that seized with the issue, write to Omega and express your displeasure, and then vote with your wallet - that is the only thing short of government intervention that is going to get the attention of these companies.
 
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I guess my question is: What kind of low rent customer is going to blame Omega for a botched service on a 60 year old watch at their local watchmaker that Omega might just happen to still have parts available for? My personal opinion is that it’s an excuse for greed.

You don’t need an entire laboratory and a PhD in horology to work on a vintage cal. 286 Omega (for example).
 
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Me.

Also. You might want to google “brand equity”.
 
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Omega is not obligated to support watches forever, - .

Obviously. Omega isn't even obligated to offer a warranty at all even on new watches. They could sell all new watches "as is-no warranty expressed or implied" if they want to. The thread is about the perceived value of vintage Omega watches and if they increase/decrease in value and why. I'm suggesting that the recent parts restrictions are at least a thorn in the side of hobbiests and collectors and is probably affecting the value and collectability of some pieces especially the "sweet spot" of 1950s and 1960s Swiss watches.

I'll never need another thing from Omega in my lifetime. Frankly, watches made after 1970 don't interest me much and I've hoarded most of what I'll need for the rest of my life. Why care then? Because it affects the hobby negatively. It probably will result in some nice vintage pieces getting scrapped or at least abandoned in drawers rather than being worn and enjoyed.
 
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Obviously. Omega isn't even obligated to offer a warranty at all even on new watches. They could sell all new watches "as is-no warranty expressed or implied" if they want to. The thread is about the perceived value of vintage Omega watches and if they increase/decrease in value and why. I'm suggesting that the recent parts restrictions are at least a thorn in the side of hobbiests and collectors and is probably affecting the value and collectability of some pieces especially the "sweet spot" of 1950s and 1960s Swiss watches.

I'll never need another thing from Omega in my lifetime. Frankly, watches made after 1970 don't interest me much and I've hoarded most of what I'll need for the rest of my life. Why care then? Because it affects the hobby negatively. It probably will result in some nice vintage pieces getting scrapped or at least abandoned in drawers rather than being worn and enjoyed.

News flash - life isn't always fair mate.
 
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Thank you, sir. It is my birth year watch. It took me four years to find one in this condition and I enjoyed every day of the hunt. When I go to court wearing this, I know that I will be among a sea of young lawyers who wear shiny new Rolex watches and know virtually nothing about them except what they cost. The fact that I’m the only attorney in the courtroom wearing a vintage Omega - and that I know both its history and how it works - is one of the joys of watch collecting.
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I’m a chemist... do you know the shit they put in US food? Europe’s better but even so... the mind boggles as to why it’s allowed. The latest one to discover it’s not great... titanium oxide. Not other reason to add it than colour and opacity.
Isn’t titanium oxide in paint and beauty products as well?