that dial isn’t original. The listing even says so.
Is it even possible to say which dial a watch left the factory with? does Speedmasters has a serial number on the dials? i know older Seikos has that, well, year and month anyway.
The ad says ~It appears to have a rare service dial and hands from the 70’s, with a printed logo and no ‘professional’ text.~
Is it a sevice dial or a complete fake then?
I mean a service dial for an 105.003. It doesn’t display the features of a mid 60’s dial except for the narrow T’s, hence why the seller is saying its a 70’s service dial.
Shouldn't that lower the value rather drastically? he says rare so maybe the dial it self is expensive, sell it and find a more appropriate dial.
Shouldn't that lower the value rather drastically? he says rare so maybe the dial it self is expensive, sell it and find a more appropriate dial.
And you believe what sellers say do you? The dial is worth what someone will pay, rare or not it is not desirable since no Speedmaster ever left the factory with that dial. Only someone who did not know this would pay much for it. I'd value it at around whatever the current 321 service dial is worth, a few hundred tops. Maybe fractionally more since it has tritium rather than SL lume, but it will never look original, and the value will reflect that.
Rare doesn’t always mean valuable. Many of the 70’s service dials are quite rare. It’s speculated they were made in small number batches so new variations are still being found. Long indices/short indices, pro/no pro, wide t/narrow t etc. It doesn’t make them valuable as ultimately they’re not original.
It certainly doesn’t back up any theory that twisted lug cased Speedmasters ever came with pre pro dials. The only ‘evidence’ I’ve ever seen to back this theory up is an advertisement showing such a configuration, but this is an artists rendering, not an actual watch. Conversely, there are little/no examples of original looking watches being seen with twisted lugs and pre pro dials in standard configuration. Moonwatch only also says all twisted lug cased standard dial speedmasters came with pro dials.
It does lower the value drastically. Service dials, rare or not, don't have much value. That eBay watch has plenty of other problems also, and a ridiculous price. If you spend a few months studying 60s Speedmasters, all of this will make more sense and become second nature to you.
Is there more obvious faulties here? Chrono hand is incorrect but what more? sorry for many questions.
Is it even possible to say which dial a watch left the factory with? does Speedmasters has a serial number on the dials? i know older Seikos has that, well, year and month anyway.
The ad says ~It appears to have a rare service dial and hands from the 70’s, with a printed logo and no ‘professional’ text.~
Is it a service dial or a complete fake then?
