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·I don’t expect them to do anything.
Demand for Rolex hits unprecedented level
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·That’s for watch nerds. Everyone else wears Apple Watch now.
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cvalue13
·Does Omega complain about the secondary market value of some of their watches? No. Does anyone really other than the buyers?
This to me is the most comical thing about this hero-villain plot arch that is implied as between Omega and Rolex: it implicitly assumes, with no evidence whatsoever, that essentially Omega could achieve Rolex’s posture in the eye general public, but has chosen not to out of some moral high ground.
I see no reason to believe this of a publicly traded company-conglomerate presumably seeking to sell as many watches as possible at the highest margins as possible.
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·Give me a fresh shower, haircut and shave, a nice (but not too nice) suit, a fine (but not too fine) watch, recently polished (but not over-polished) shoes, and I’ll feel more ready for an interview - not to mention be viewed as such by the interviewer
Do the clothes, haircut, etc really make you feel differently about who you are as an individual though? Did the clothes get you in the door for the interview or did the skillset you developed during your career open that opportunity to you? Which is more aligned with who you are as a person and should be the true boost to your confidence?
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·Do the clothes, haircut, etc really make you feel differently about who you are as an individual though? Did the clothes get you in the door for the interview or did the skillset you developed during your career open that opportunity to you? Which is more aligned with who you are as a person and should be the true boost to your confidence?
Well if we want to be so serious about it: seems worse than daffy to deny that one’s “appearance” (let’s call it) has nothing to do with how one moves through life, either in their own self-image or the image others have of them. That would fly in the face of the entire history of the study of the subject.
But your comment seems to also imply that I said image is the only thing that’s relevant to how one moves through life, which I didn’t - because that would be even more daffy.
Obviously, it should’ve gone without saying that the answer is, ideally, “all the above”
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThis to me is the most comical thing about this hero-villain plot arch that is implied as between Omega and Rolex: it implicitly assumes, with no evidence whatsoever, that essentially Omega could achieve Rolex’s posture in the eye general public, but has chosen not to out of some moral high ground.
I don't think there is a hero-villain arch at all. I know you have said this before when someone says "I'll stick with Omega because they have watches I can buy" but I think that is just an acknowledgement that there are Omega watches readily available in AD's, where the same isn't true for Rolex. It's not an endorsement of Omega's "ethics" or some form of altruism on their part, just stating the fact that Omega watches are far more available.
Personally, my issues with the "ethics" of Rolex have nothing to do with the availability of watches, but more about how they handle the B2B relationships.
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··Spell Master!Well if we want to be so serious about it: seems worse than daffy to deny that one’s “appearance” (let’s call it) has nothing to do with how one moves through life, either in their own self-image or the image others have of them. That would fly in the face of the entire history of the study of the subject.
But your comment seems to also imply that I said image is the only thing that’s relevant to how one moves through life, which I didn’t - because that would be even more daffy.
Obviously, it should’ve gone without saying that the answer is, ideally, “all the above”
Sometimes the individual does not have the means or even exposure to fashion to realize their persona. Clothing and accessories have a very strong effect on how we feel, interact or assert ourselves in life. Be it work, Dating or Socializing.
This is true for fit, look, quality and value.
It is an easy argument to start saying you should feel good about yourself internally and damn be outward impressions...it is hard to argue against it because it makes the person arguing seem vane or objectifying or superficial...it is an unfair argument because it forces us to reveal our insecurities by the sheer action of arguing back.
Well. I am secure in my insecurities enough to argue....it all matters. It is all about alignment, not neglect.
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·I can't remember a time when I've been less interested in Rolex.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerDo the clothes, haircut, etc really make you feel differently about who you are as an individual though? Did the clothes get you in the door for the interview or did the skillset you developed during your career open that opportunity to you? Which is more aligned with who you are as a person and should be the true boost to your confidence?
This side discussion reminded me of when my former workplace went "business casual" sometime in the 90's. It was announced in the morning, and at lunch I drove home and ditched the jacket and tie, and put on a golf shirt. I couldn't be rid of that tie quick enough.
The manager of engineering at the time (my boss) lamented the casual approach, and I heard him comment "How can the workers respect us managers if we aren't wearing ties and jackets?" My thought was, if you need those things to get respect from your workers, you have bigger problems than business casual policies...
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ckhaing
·watch collectors’ (or my) life would be easier if flippers are interested in something else to make the money
or. I won’t be making a lot of noise under Rolex threads here and there if I can somehow mysterious acquired 5513, any gmt coke aluminum, maybe additional sweetener as explorer 2 orange hand, all in like new condition
same with omega, if any version 2915, 2998, and 2518
then I won’t complain about snoopy or new 321 availability 😁
or. I won’t be making a lot of noise under Rolex threads here and there if I can somehow mysterious acquired 5513, any gmt coke aluminum, maybe additional sweetener as explorer 2 orange hand, all in like new condition
same with omega, if any version 2915, 2998, and 2518
then I won’t complain about snoopy or new 321 availability 😁
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·"How can the workers respect us managers if we aren't wearing ties and jackets?"
I came up in a very old school law firm, where “business casual” fridays was seen as edgy, and meant sport coat with miss-matched slack and dress shoes - ie, not a full suit and tie
One Friday bumped into an older partner in the hall and looked me up and down, slowly shook his head, and said “I just don’t see why a person wouldn’t want to dress like a grown-up.”
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI came up in a very old school law firm, where “business casual” fridays was seen as edgy, and meant sport coat with miss-matched slack and dress shoes - ie, not a full suit and tie
One Friday bumped into an older partner in the hall and looked me up and down, slowly shook his head, and said “I just don’t see why a person wouldn’t want to dress like a grown-up.”
One man's "grown up" dress, is another man's "dress up"...so suits are reserved for weddings and funerals. In fact I didn't even wear one to the last wedding I went to a few weeks ago...and I probably won't wear on to my uncle's funeral tomorrow...
For me, I prioritize comfort over just about everything else...
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··Spell Master!Yeah, for me it is not so much about how others perceive me but how I perceive myself. It just makes me feel more comfortable and confident.
I am actually a very casual dresser, so it is not about dressing up or down, just being comfortable in my own skin. (And clothing is a form of skin)
In the service industry (meaning hotels and restaurant) there are polarizing views into what the clientele wants, and truly the client going to Chateau Marmont in LA is quite different from Four Seasons in NY.
Anyway. You yourself @Archer describe how much better it felt to toss that jacket and tie away. That is my point. If clothes and accessories did not matter at all then you would not have felt any need to ditch those.
Anyway. DOn't want to complicate too much a fairly light side bar to the thread.
I am actually a very casual dresser, so it is not about dressing up or down, just being comfortable in my own skin. (And clothing is a form of skin)
In the service industry (meaning hotels and restaurant) there are polarizing views into what the clientele wants, and truly the client going to Chateau Marmont in LA is quite different from Four Seasons in NY.
Anyway. You yourself @Archer describe how much better it felt to toss that jacket and tie away. That is my point. If clothes and accessories did not matter at all then you would not have felt any need to ditch those.
Anyway. DOn't want to complicate too much a fairly light side bar to the thread.
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·I didn’t buy my Rolexes to be suave or to feel successful,
I bought them because I’m basic and don’t have any original thoughts.
I’m calling shenanigans.
I bought them because I’m basic and don’t have any original thoughts.
I’m calling shenanigans.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAnyway. You yourself @Archer describe how much better it felt to toss that jacket and tie away. That is my point. If clothes and accessories did not matter at all then you would not have felt any need to ditch those.
Trying to wrap my head around this one, but they didn't matter to me, which is why I ditched them as soon as I could. Many managers swore they would keep wearing them, but within a month everyone had gone business casual.
For me there were a few reasons...
1 - Not having something like a noose around my neck all day is more comfortable.
2 - Not having to dry clean clothes saves money, as well being able to wear less expensive clothes.
3 - Not having to wear a tie around machinery (which I was around a fair bit in the course of my job) is much safer.
It wasn't about what style I preferred or anything particularly profound on some level, just practical considerations.
Let's face it, these are clothing items related to class structure that goes back centuries, so aren't really needed for anything other than signaling your station in life, and that "manual labour" is not involved in your occupation.
