Deleted thread? re bezels

cvrle1 · Jun 18, 2020

Caliber561
Vintage pieces used to sell between $500 to $1000 depending on condition. NOS/NIB bracelets still sell for a lot, but as results like these show:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JB-Champio...170072?hash=item4dac001bd8:g:~~8AAOSw9shetqbs
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Or...834969?hash=item3fdf08ca99:g:9Z8AAOSw3ftehMoq

People just aren't dishing out as much money as they used to for these.

Just going to point out that the price of vintage bracelets can't have "stayed about the same" while also having been "steadily going down for the last year or so." The recent dip in prices of these bracelets can be correlated to the news of a reproduction being released late last year. I can't claim that it's the only reason that vintage bracelets have dropped in price, but I don't think it would be logical to say the reproduction didn't contribute to the price deflation at all.

As you said, people arent dishing out as much as they used to, so demand goes down, and prices go down as well. If there was ever a bubble for an item, these bracelets were it. They peaked, people stopped buying because they got way too expensive and bubble burst. If you look at prices even 6 months ago, they were still hovering around $500 and repro was already out in full swing by then. There are a lot of other more plausible reasons prices went down.

And yes you can have items going down and staying same. If price goes down from $1000 to $700 and then it stays at $700 for months, it did both. Thats what happened here. Price went down, stayed at that level for a while then went down again. Rinse and repeat.

And in regards to repro, I am glad they came out. If for no other season but because I would have been pissed if I paid so much money for original only to find out it is way too big for my wrist. (as was the case)

STANDY · Jun 18, 2020

Uscjake87
I guess I would get mad if I had a stash of DONs hoping for a nest egg one day.

Hope your not thinking that these MIG bezels will push down the prices of original DONs because that is not going to happen. A demand shortage is going to stay forever and there will only be a few hundred that opt for the MIG bezel

From now on we call them
MIG bezels
(Made In Garage)

Larry S · Jun 18, 2020

Barking mad
Just a thought, what would be the conundrum if Omega started making the bezels again. I mean exactly the same as the old?

This would then be a factory service part. Not pukka.

Stripey · Jun 18, 2020

pdxleaf
Having more copies/replicas/reproductions/forgeries does not make the original less rare or valuable. It would only be less valuable if the supply was increased and the supply of original items could only be increased if they were passed off as the real thing.

A replica Shelby Cobra does not diminish the value of a real Shelby Cobra. Unless suddenly twice as many cars were suddenly "discovered."

No, it would only be less rare if the supply was increased.

It could easily become less valuable for a number of reasons. You have only to look at how the market for Jaguar E-types has fluctuated over the years to see that.

BenBagbag · Jun 18, 2020

Rman
My issue with all this monkey business is an ethical one. Supporting someone making a replica bezel that is almost indistinguishable from an original infringes on Omega’s intellectual property.

If another collector commended you on your watch, would explain to them that it was aftermarket bezel? If you didn’t it would be a form of deception.

You want a banger bezel, think about buying a service bezel.

Do you hold Aldo to the same standard? Is his business unethical?

Rman · Jun 18, 2020

BenBagbag
Do you hold Aldo to the same standard? Is his business unethical?

There are a few notable differences, foremost that there isn’t a service bezel readily available for the part he makes.

His bezels are handmade with no way to mass produce (as far as I know).

The bezel can easily be distinguished from the real thing if you know the basics.

The originals are so fragile as to be unwearable.

His intent has never been to deceive (as far as I know). Please don’t take this as an attack on 321only.

There’s something about the idea of vintage Omega going the way of vintage Rolex that’s pretty repulsive so take all of this with a grain of salt.

Finally, as someone who has registered a couple trademarks and patents I guess I’m sensitive to this issue.

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