Decision decision... seamaster 2984

nanjingcigaretes · Feb 19, 2020

Greetings to all Vintage fans,
I am newbie to vintage game and this forum help me learn so much. So firstly, thank you all.
I have been offer this piece from a local pawn shop, at a glance, I love it. The dog leg, the dial, the case.. It just looks so charming over my untrained eyes.
But the fact that I can not find the exatc sample any where ( whether google or forums) raise a bit of awareness to me.
All the 2984 sample I found are Ss not 18k. Omegawatch website also indicate that 2984 is a SS watch.
So, can you guys please help me out. Because I really want this to be my 1st vintage Omega.
Thank you guys again.
Here is some seller’s pics.
Harry

mac_omega · Feb 19, 2020

It is all right - go for it!

KingCrouchy · Feb 19, 2020

Looks great, a stunning first piece👍

Dan S · Feb 19, 2020

Very nice find!

nanjingcigaretes · Feb 19, 2020

Hope you guy can share more info about the piece. On omegawatches, it said it is stainless steel with cal. 501.
This is 18k with cal 471, could this be a franken piece?

Dan S · Feb 19, 2020

Using google, find 10 other examples. If many of them have the cal 471, it probably just means that the OVD isn't totally accurate, which is common. And then report back and tell us what you found.

nanjingcigaretes · Feb 19, 2020

This could be the closest examples of this piece that I could find
https://omegaforums.net/threads/a-rare-beast-indeed-omega-xvi-olympic-but-reference-2984.108314/
the same case reference and caseback with olympic mark on dial with cal 501.
Cal. 471 I believe was few years earlier, around 1954 or so.

Dan S · Feb 19, 2020

If the OVD indicates cal 501 and you can't find other examples on the internet with cal 471, then you should be cautious. I also wonder if 17 jewels is correct for a cal 471. All the other cal 471 movements I am finding have a rotor that says either 19 or 20 jewels. So I'm not really sure what movement you have in that watch. Bridges can be replaced.

mac_omega · Feb 19, 2020

Dan S
So I'm not really sure what movement you have in that watch. Bridges can be replaced.

IMO it is clearly a cal. 471 and there have been 17J versions especially for the US market (high taxes/duties for movements with higher jewel count...)

nanjingcigaretes · Feb 19, 2020

mac_omega
IMO it is clearly a cal. 471 and there have been 17J versions especially for the US market (high taxes/duties for movements with higher jewel count...)

I decided to take the watch because I like it and will learn more about it later on.
The case I think is the exactly the same as the 2984 olympic XVI, the Movement serial date back in 1954. So could this be the earlier version of the olympic xvi. Was honeycomb cross hair dial available back then, in 1954. Could this be the case? I would took clearer pics when I received it tmr.

nanjingcigaretes · Feb 19, 2020

the watch just arrived, a beauty to me. The glass even has the sign. But the some part of the gold case turn slightly red or copper bronze collored. Should I get it cleaned or just enjoy it this way? Thanks OF again!!!

JimInOz · Feb 19, 2020

nanjingcigaretes
the watch just arrived, a beauty to me. The glass even has the sign. But the some part of the gold case turn slightly red or copper bronze collored. Should I get it cleaned or just enjoy it this way? Thanks OF again!!!

While gold will never rust and is unlikely to corrode, it may tarnish, which is the patina or discolouration.

It's purely a personal choice, I like it as it gives the watch character. If you prefer a clean look, a very very light rub with a gold polishing cloth is all you need to do.

mac_omega · Feb 20, 2020

nanjingcigaretes
the watch just arrived, a beauty to me. The glass even has the sign. But the some part of the gold case turn slightly red or copper bronze collored. Should I get it cleaned or just enjoy it this way? Thanks OF again!!!

I would leave the case as is as it shows the case has not been polished... and I like this kind of patina on the gold, much better than the "oh shiny"

But this is a personal choice

BTW this is a very nice well preserved example and has nobody said it yet I call DIBS!

nanjingcigaretes · Feb 20, 2020

JimInOz
While gold will never rust and is unlikely to corrode, it may tarnish, which is the patina or discolouration.

It's purely a personal choice, I like it as it gives the watch character. If you prefer a clean look, a very very light rub with a gold polishing cloth is all you need to do.

mac_omega
I would leave the case as is as it shows the case has not been polished... and I like this kind of patina on the gold, much better than the "oh shiny"

But this is a personal choice

BTW this is a very nice well preserved example and has nobody said it yet I call DIBS!

Thank you guys for such helpful comments. I will enjoy and hold on to this piece while keep seeking for others to start my vintage collection.
One more question if I may, according to omegastar's thread about buckles, this look like a MG gold plated buckle, or it is just aftermarket version of it. Thanks guys!

padders · Feb 20, 2020

Not commenting either way on the originality but bear in mind the 471 was a 25mm movement and the 501 is 28mm. The 470 was the American market 17j version, most (all?) original 471s have 19/20j as Dan says. I would have some concerns over this latter point but the watch certainly looks good. When you search on 2984 471 movement you don’t get many hits but a couple link back to earlier discussions on here and are worth a look.

Marco1962 · Aug 15, 2021

Hi everyone, I just read your forum as I'm looking for some information about a 2984 in gold with cal 471, as I've one... in fact It's a 20 jewels model and I wend you some pics for your knoledge... Best regards

Decision decision... seamaster 2984

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