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padders
··Oooo subtitles!For sure. Just making the point that it can be said that Omega’s tritium recreation is one thing, the radium another.
Debunking the Faux-Patina Myth : radium/tritium vintage watches had colored lume since new
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Travelller
·... 'on the first tritium dials, the markers were ivory colored with a greenish tinge or pale yellow from the 1970s to the 1990s, according to production period' could be left open to interpretation if people ignore the bold bit...it is clear there are no green lume dials in the 60s, early 70s or late 80s or 90s. If you want to take the MWO statement as gospel though, there are still a few holes...like the 60s...and the color of early radium dials (shown in Walter Schirra's pics..and also it is clear that the 90s were not ivory colored, but rather what people today would call 'faux'. And, worth mentioning, this is just speedmasters. I am fairly certain the same dialmakers used the same lume on other manufacturers dials...
No, not as gospel, but assumptions based on a lot of research and info from a valid source (read: they contacted Jean Singer & Cie SA for info on the Speedmaster dials).
As far as assumptions go, you better believe I'll take theirs over ours any day of the week... 👍
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Re. the sentence you pointed out. Working for a global Group and interacting in English with colleagues from a multitude of Countries has made it clear to me that nothing is ever 100% perfect and you have to acquire a feeling for each and every individual in order to correctly translate their content.
There are two possible ways to "translate" the sentence:
1. ...on the Speedmaster tritium dials, the markers were ivory colored with a greenish tinge or pale yellow, depending on the specific production period within the 1970s to the 1990s.
2. ...on the first Speedmaster tritium dials, the markers were ivory colored with a greenish tinge and subsequently pale yellow from the 1970s onwards.
I tend to lean towards the second one because why ignore the "first Speedmaster Tritium dials" which as we know, were introduced around ~1963 (the 105.002-62 went from radium to tritium, depending on the production year).
I guess the best thing would be to contact them directly but I'm not that motivated by the topic... 😜
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eugeneandresson
·but I'm not that motivated by the topic...
Your frequency/duplicity-in-multiple-threads of replies indicates otherwise 🙄
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorGet your point that Lume was never solid white, and I am not even complaining about Faux lume?
But I can see why it’s called Faux lume by so many.
It’s just what do they call lume that is made to look vintage.
It’s evident on the watch below the lume is tinted to look vintage
But I can see why it’s called Faux lume by so many.
It’s just what do they call lume that is made to look vintage.
It’s evident on the watch below the lume is tinted to look vintage
So, please stop calling everything with any color 'faux patina' or 'fauxtina' or 'faux', or whatever, please stop complaining, please look at historically accurate (to details as fine as lume color) modern watches that DONT have white lume in a positive way, and please please pretty please when you are GTG'ing with your watch buddies, educate them. And if you know any of the said YouTube-watch-pro-wannabees, definitely educate them. Thanks.
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eugeneandresson
·Get your point that Lume was never solid white, and I am not even complaining about Faux lume?
But I can see why it’s called Faux lume by so many.
It’s just what do they call lume that is made to look vintage.
It’s evident on the watch below the lume is tinted to look vintage
Hey Standy. My feeling (and its just that) is that there were different shades from new.
According to the Ultraman-cogniscenti the lume color IS different to regular 145.012s.
Here are 145.012s (the one on the right spent 50 years locked up in a safe, the other not) that IMHO have 0 patination (and the tritium glows very strongly). This is the 'canary' yellow.
Funny though, the color of the hand on the right one is not the same as the dial ...
Here is a similar (canary yellow) color on a -62 ... note only the minute hand is patinating near the stem ...
AND HERE's A CLEAN ULTRAMAN. Not seeing much in the way of patination (no usual darkening etc).
Pretty different color to the examples of 145.012's above, pretty much matching yours/the modern one ... big question is : how much is the lume color of the ultraman dial above different to when it was new? My feeling : not much, if any at all. Is the modern one thus 'faux'?
PS: Here is a patinated ultraman ...
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Ree
·I don't remember having my Ultraman lume to be that pumpkin. Perhaps the Fratello picture was from a prototype. Mine is more like what @steviemac1040 has captured on his IG:
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Travelller
·There are two possible ways to "translate" the sentence:
1. ...on the Speedmaster tritium dials, the markers were ivory colored with a greenish tinge or pale yellow, depending on the specific production period within the 1970s to the 1990s.
2. ...on the first Speedmaster tritium dials, the markers were ivory colored with a greenish tinge and subsequently pale yellow from the 1970s onwards.
I tend to lean towards the second one because why ignore the "first Speedmaster Tritium dials" which as we know, were introduced around ~1963 (the 105.002-62 went from radium to tritium, depending on the production year).
I guess the best thing would be to contact them directly but I'm not that motivated by the topic... 😜
Your frequency/duplicity-in-multiple-threads of replies indicates otherwise 🙄
As for (also) addressing the topic in the 321 Ed White thread, it was in response to your multiple posts on said topic in said thread...
What I find more and more crazy as time goes by is how every lemming on the internet throws 'faux tina' in when they diss a watch (like this).
Erm...nope 😀 This is what I mean...
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As there's a good chance I'll be running into Mr. Protopapas in the near future, what I will do is ask him for his opinion and/or recollection, specific to the Speedmasters.
And if Petros says they were purple, then they were purple... 😁
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorTwo things in your post above.
You can’t say something 50 years old has 0 patination if you can’t compare it to a brand new one.
And how do you know for certain that the above or any watch you are looking at has not been relumed 5-10 maybe 30 years ago
Here are 145.012s (the one on the right spent 50 years locked up in a safe, the other not) that IMHO have 0 patination (and the tritium glows very strongly).
You can’t say something 50 years old has 0 patination if you can’t compare it to a brand new one.
AND HERE's A CLEAN ULTRAMAN. Not seeing much in the way of patination (no usual darkening etc).
And how do you know for certain that the above or any watch you are looking at has not been relumed 5-10 maybe 30 years ago
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chulyquang
·nice photo from the pass
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eugeneandresson
·You can’t say something 50 years old has 0 patination if you can’t compare it to a brand new one.
Even the hand color is a match ... (granted, the reflected blue light in the vintage product advert from the background causes color havoc...luckily we can see through this, if we know how)
And how do you know for certain that the above or any watch you are looking at has not been relumed 5-10 maybe 30 years ago
In exactly the same way that you would, in 10 or 30 years time with your ST2, when comparing it to several others that may have changed ownership several times ... under a loupe, with a UV light etc. You will even be able to correctly asses polished/unpolished condition of the cases of them.
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Caliber561
·Here are some ads showing yellow lume across almost all of the watches here.
I would point out though, that the Chronostop Seamaster has distinctly green lume, so 70s Speedmasters like those in the image below (thread linked) have NOS condition lume, not lume that has patinated green.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/first-speedmaster-thoughts-on-lume.32610/
I would point out though, that the Chronostop Seamaster has distinctly green lume, so 70s Speedmasters like those in the image below (thread linked) have NOS condition lume, not lume that has patinated green.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/first-speedmaster-thoughts-on-lume.32610/
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gostang9
·I love this thread.
I can see the following conversation happening somewhere:
wife “how can you guys POSSIBLY spend so much time discussing watches online?”
husband - shows her this thread and lowers his head
I can see the following conversation happening somewhere:
wife “how can you guys POSSIBLY spend so much time discussing watches online?”
husband - shows her this thread and lowers his head
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killer67
·good article on fauxtina in Hodinkee
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JwRosenthal
·Wait- so my Speedy and SM120 lume has gotten brighter yellow, leaning towards white with time?😉
Those pics in the ad do show a lot of color variations.
Those pics in the ad do show a lot of color variations.
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JwRosenthal
·Here are some ads showing yellow lume across almost all of the watches here.
I would point out though, that the Chronostop Seamaster has distinctly green lume, so 70s Speedmasters like those in the image below (thread linked) have NOS condition lume, not lume that has patinated green.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/first-speedmaster-thoughts-on-lume.32610/
If I actually have time tomorrow during my lunch break, perhaps I’ll color correct these and repost them for shits and giggles.
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Travelller
·I would point out though, that the Chronostop Seamaster has distinctly green lume, so 70s Speedmasters like those in the image below (thread linked) have NOS condition lume, not lume that has patinated green.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/first-speedmaster-thoughts-on-lume.32610/
If anyone has read an article pushing one theory over the other with some reasonable scientific basis I would be grateful for a link 👍
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Travelller
·...as there's a good chance I'll be running into Mr. Protopapas in the near future, what I will do is ask him for his opinion and/or recollection, specific to the Speedmasters...
Cheers
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eugeneandresson
·So ...asked and answered. In his professional opinion, new tritium paint was white.
Cheers
Naturally ... as it would be naturally impossible for any watchmanufacturer/dial-maker to e.g. tint the tritium paint green (like the NOS example above) if it came purple from the manufacturer ...
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'Minty'. Thanks to Mike from Fratello.
