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mayankyadav
·but all I'm saying is in terms of problems facing us from fake goods/products watches are not a top priority, you of course are free to disagree.
But we are on a watch forum!
Conversation with my Rolex AD
But we are on a watch forum!
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ConElPueblo
·You seem to have a habit of getting your panties in a bunch when someone takes a different view to your own, but all I'm saying is in terms of problems facing us from fake goods/products watches are not a top priority, you of course are free to disagree.
I'll be the first to admit that I do not suffer fools gladly and that's why I react to your post.
Not reacting to fake watches because there are worse crimes is so blatantly stupid that it needs to be called out. The industry of faked luxury goods runs to more than $200 billion a year and indirectly funds organised crime, including human trafficking as well as some aspects of terrorist activity. Then there's the issues of tax dodging, ethic labour issues and general damage done to brand perception of the faked item - have a look at what measures the brands take to fight this issue and see how much money is spent on it.
I guess you do not work in an industry where this is a problem, right? You failed to answer that...
Not having the mental faculties to care about fake watches because more directly critical items are being faked too is a worry - perhaps you should spend less time discussing issues where you are so much in the wrong that it is an embarrassment and more time resting and preparing yourself for more mundane tasks would be a good idea.
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Stufflers Mom
·I'll be the first to admit that I do not suffer fools gladly and that's why I react to your post.
Not reacting to fake watches because there are worse crimes is so blatantly stupid that it needs to be called out. The industry of faked luxury goods runs to more than $200 billion a year and indirectly funds organised crime, including human trafficking as well as some aspects of terrorist activity. Then there's the issues of tax dodging, ethic labour issues and general damage done to brand perception of the faked item - have a look at what measures the brands take to fight this issue and see how much money is spent on it.
I guess you do not work in an industry where this is a problem, right? You failed to answer that...
Not having the mental faculties to care about fake watches because more directly critical items are being faked too is a worry - perhaps you should spend less time discussing issues where you are so much in the wrong that it is an embarrassment and more time resting and preparing yourself for more mundane tasks would be a good idea.
Well where to start? First off at no point did I say that we shouldn't react to fake watches, simply that there is a bigger threat from fake medicines.
Second, I've heard it mentioned before that profits go on to fund all kinds of things, but I'm not aware of any conclusive hard evidence that this is true.
Third, I was not asked a question about the industry I work in, so perhaps it's that your panties are indeed too tight that it's effecting your own mental faculties.
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ConElPueblo
·Third, I was not asked a question about the industry I work in, so perhaps it's that your panties are indeed too tight that it's effecting your own mental faculties.
You also specifically said that no-one should have a problem with people buying fakes - using the frankly ridiculous argument that items such as medicine were being faked as well. So we shouldn't worry about one type of crime because worse exists? Even though they have been found to be closely intertwined and share a number of characteristics?
Do just a bit of research on the impact of counterfeiting if you have the capacity to do so.
EDIT: the question of what happens with the funds earned in this type of crime shouldn't be an issue at all; the breach of IP rights should be enough to make you realise that this is illegal and to be avoided.
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Stufflers Mom
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You also specifically said that no-one should have a problem with people buying fakes - using the frankly ridiculous argument that items such as medicine were being faked as well. So we shouldn't worry about one type of crime because worse exists? Even though they have been found to be closely intertwined and share a number of characteristics?
Do just a bit of research on the impact of counterfeiting if you have the capacity to do so.
I'm afraid you are not having a good day. As much as you might want\think your question about the industry I work in was directed\ask of me, you are wrong and you asked it of another forum member.
Also, I did not even remotely say that "no-one should have a problem with people buying fakes" so at no time did I say that, so ironically it's you that is being ridiculous.
As for your counterfeiting claims it's you that is making the statement\claim, so it's up to you to provide the hard evidence and facts, but you don't seem to have much of a bead on that kind of thing.
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Stufflers Mom
·Just to help you out.
pIoNeErOfThEnILe said: ↑
that's just not true. peeps buy reps for all kinds of reasons. i have no problem with anyone buying one and nobody else should either.
pIoNeErOfThEnILe said: ↑
that's just not true. peeps buy reps for all kinds of reasons. i have no problem with anyone buying one and nobody else should either.
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ConElPueblo
·Just to help you out.
pIoNeErOfThEnILe said: ↑
that's just not true. peeps buy reps for all kinds of reasons. i have no problem with anyone buying one and nobody else should either.
Oh for... What a fine mess I've gotten myself into 🤦
Sorry about the confusion, should have realised there were two of you...
So, @Stufflers Mom - what do you work with? And are you okay with people wearing counterfeit items?
@pIoNeErOfThEnILe - could you elaborate on your point made earlier?
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Stufflers Mom
·Oh for... What a fine mess I've gotten myself into 🤦
Sorry about the confusion, should have realised there were two of you...
So, @Stufflers Mom - what do you work with? And are you okay with people wearing counterfeit items?
@pIoNeErOfThEnILe - could you elaborate on your point made earlier?
That's ok everyone can make a mistake.
To answer your questions I work in electrical engineering, secondly I'm neither up nor down about people wearing fake watches as it's a pointless exorcise to try to prevent it.
Also, it's also worth asking how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go with shabby/unethical manufacturing practices, as you might find an American company using a Chinese sweat shop to produce it's $200 trainers or phones. At the end of the day the point I'm making is yes the production and sale of fake goods is to be discouraged, but from a priority point of view to my mind at least fake drugs and medicines are slightly more worrying than fakes watches.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAt the end of the day the point I'm making is yes the production and sale of fake goods is to be discouraged, but from a priority point of view to my mind at least fake drugs and medicines are slightly more worrying than fakes watches.
Sure, you can make those arguments over on a "drugs and medicines" forum, because this forum is about watches...so here that is the focus.
But why would you since any effort to prevent it is apparently pointless...
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Stufflers Mom
·Sure, you can make those arguments over on a "drugs and medicines" forum, because this forum is about watches...so here that is the focus.
But why would you since any effort to prevent it is apparently pointless...
Sure, but it might of escaped your notice but this fine forum also allows discussion of non watch related topics, so I will stand by my comments.
Of course other viewpoints are available.
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pIoNeErOfThEnILe
·There is also reporting that the income from fake watches is sometimes used for terrorist financing. I wonder if that makes somebody feel good about themselves.
that's nonsense
as for pueblo asking " if i'm okay with this this",....as long as a it's not being sold as real i have no problem with it. reproductions are everywhere with many things besides watches. it will never be stopped.
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Dan S
·There is also reporting that the income from fake watches is sometimes used for terrorist financing. I wonder if that makes somebody feel good about themselves.
that's nonsense
as for pueblo asking " if i'm okay with this this",....as long as a it's not being sold as real i have no problem with it. reproductions are everywhere with many things besides watches. it will never be stopped.
So do you just say something is nonsense because it's your opinion? Two seconds on Google shows that it's not nonsense. This is a transcript from a 2005 senate hearing. It's just what I happened to find at the top of the search ... I'm sure a thorough search would find much more.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-109shrg21823/html/CHRG-109shrg21823.htm
Since you can't be bothered to verify your facts, here are a few paragraphs from the transcript:
...
Today, we explore another aspect of the shadowy world of
terrorism financing. The theft of intellectual property rights
through counterfeiting and pirating of consumer goods is a huge
and growing criminal enterprise. It is estimated that
counterfeit merchandise accounts for between 5 and 7 percent of
all the goods moved in world trade. According to Interpol, this
counterfeit merchandise is worth approximately $450 billion
annually. According to the U.S. Trade Representative, American
businesses lose as much as $250 billion each year to
counterfeiters.
...
For those unfamiliar with the terminology, counterfeit
goods are knock-offs or look-alikes of brand-name products,
such as this counterfeit Gucci watch. Goods are referred to as
pirated when criminals steal and sell the content of a
legitimate product, such as the latest Star Wars movie, already
out in pirated version, and copy it illegally without the
permission of its owner. Both kinds of illegal goods are often
referred to as counterfeit.
Combine counterfeiting's high profits with the uninformed
notion that the purchase of a knockoff designer handbag, a fake
wristwatch, or a pirated DVD is a victimless crime and it is no
surprise that the trade in counterfeit goods is extremely
lucrative. This criminal activity has damaging consequences for
our economy and for honest businesses and their employees.
Moreover, given the evidence that terrorists are engaging in
counterfeiting to secure money to support their operations, the
potential consequences are far more dire than economic damage.
The unclassified evidence linking terrorism and
counterfeiting is compelling and it spans several agencies and
years. For example, in a 2002 advisory entitled, ``Financing
Terror: Profits from Counterfeit Goods Pay for Attacks,'' the
Customs Service warned of an increasingly close connection
between transnational crime and terrorism with the profits from
counterfeit and pirated goods being the strongest link.
In 2003, the Secretary General of Interpol testified before
Congress that intellectual property crime, the pirating of such
products as software, CDs, and DVDs, is becoming the preferred
method of funding for a number of terrorist organizations. He
cited direct and indirect connections between counterfeiting
and Hezbollah, the Chechen rebels, extremist groups in Kosovo,
and al Qaeda, among others.
Also in 2003, the Terrorist Financing Operations Section of
the FBI provided a document to the Committee stating that the
sale of counterfeit goods is among the ways in which Hezbollah
finances its terrorist activities, and we have a graphic that
takes information from this FBI report.
In its 2004 report, ``Patterns of Global Terrorism,'' the
State Department wrote that the tri-border region of South
America, Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay, is a regional hub for
Hezbollah and Hamas fundraising activities, including the
manufacture and movement of pirated goods.
...
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Dan S
·More documentation of the links between counterfeit goods and terrorism below, but maybe this is all fake news, even though it's all linked to reports from law enforcement, the state department, etc.
https://www.ted.com/talks/alastair_...fund_terrorism_and_organized_crime/discussion
https://www.inta.org/INTABulletin/Pages/FakeGoodsSupportTerrorism.aspx
http://www.esquire.com/style/news/a51777/counterfeit-designer-fashion-complex-documentary/
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/aut...rs-lead-terrorist-financing/story?id=49682960
https://www.ted.com/talks/alastair_...fund_terrorism_and_organized_crime/discussion
https://www.inta.org/INTABulletin/Pages/FakeGoodsSupportTerrorism.aspx
http://www.esquire.com/style/news/a51777/counterfeit-designer-fashion-complex-documentary/
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/aut...rs-lead-terrorist-financing/story?id=49682960
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asrnj77
·that's nonsense
as for pueblo asking " if i'm okay with this this",....as long as a it's not being sold as real i have no problem with it. reproductions are everywhere with many things besides watches. it will never be stopped.
https://www.esquire.com/style/news/a51777/counterfeit-designer-fashion-complex-documentary/
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/business/worldbusiness/12iht-fake.4569452.html
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/feds-counterfeit-goods-fund-terrorism
https://www.smh.com.au/world/fake-watches-fund-terror-warns-interpol-20041022-gdjyuk.html
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Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmakerthat's nonsense
as for pueblo asking " if i'm okay with this this",....as long as a it's not being sold as real i have no problem with it. reproductions are everywhere with many things besides watches. it will never be stopped.
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igatomic
·It seems like people are upset because Rolex is playing the "buy stuff and we'll get you what you want after" game? So when I walk into my AD in Montreal (a 2 hour drive away) to ask if they have "fill in the limited watch that you really want here" and get told that they have been allocated to 'good customers' that have purchased watches in the past, how is this different from what is going on with evil Rolex? I would like to have owned the Snoopy speedmaster, the Project Alaska but was denied both as the AD's allocation was already spoken for...like a week after the initial release details came out.
As a consumer, I won't buy an Omega that I don't want just in the hopes of getting bumped up on the priority list for the next limited watch. I'm resigned to the fact that I won't own many of the watches that I want, but as an adult, I'm ok with that...
As a consumer, I won't buy an Omega that I don't want just in the hopes of getting bumped up on the priority list for the next limited watch. I'm resigned to the fact that I won't own many of the watches that I want, but as an adult, I'm ok with that...
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Lenny Pepperidge
·It seems like people are upset because Rolex is playing the "buy stuff and we'll get you what you want after" game? So when I walk into my AD in Montreal (a 2 hour drive away) to ask if they have "fill in the limited watch that you really want here" and get told that they have been allocated to 'good customers' that have purchased watches in the past, how is this different from what is going on with evil Rolex? I would like to have owned the Snoopy speedmaster, the Project Alaska but was denied both as the AD's allocation was already spoken for...like a week after the initial release details came out.
As a consumer, I won't buy an Omega that I don't want just in the hopes of getting bumped up on the priority list for the next limited watch. I'm resigned to the fact that I won't own many of the watches that I want, but as an adult, I'm ok with that...
I don't think the main issue that most have is with dealers taking care of good customers first. It's with the possibility that Rolex is manipulating a shortage as some kind strategic repositioning of the brand to become seen as less Omega and IWC and more PP and AP.
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pIoNeErOfThEnILe
·you can post anything you want determining a money trail. but if i buy a rolex rep the money isn't likely going to fund anything but the pocket of the merchant peddling them.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmakeryou can post anything you want determining a money trail. but if i buy a rolex rep the money isn't likely going to fund anything but the pocket of the merchant peddling them.
Yeah, just like when you buy a genuine Rolex, it’s only the AD that gets any money...
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Dan S
·you can post anything you want determining a money trail. but if i buy a rolex rep the money isn't likely going to fund anything but the pocket of the merchant peddling them.
Now you're obviously just trolling.
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