Condensation Omega Trilogy Railmaster 1957

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I'd be willing to buy a nicely printed copy of all of Archer's posts in book form... Things My Watch Maker Said - 2019 edition. Specifically his break downs on how things actually work and examples of different tests he's doing. @Archer 's posts are one of the best reasons to read through these kinds of threads 😀
Likewise, a companion volume titled, "Dumb Shite Perpetuated on the Internet by People Who Don't Know at All What They Are Talking About but Who Feel the Need to Say Something, Anyway."
 
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It's pretty self explanatory, but essentially the "pressure" being exerted is not directly on the seal locations to put it very simply.

Even if it was, a 1 atmosphere pressure increase is negligible when swimming, so the bottom line is that myth has long been busted.

Thank you.
 
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Likewise, a companion volume titled, "Dumb Shite Perpetuated on the Internet by People Who Don't Know at All What They Are Talking About but Who Feel the Need to Say Something, Anyway."

@perks713 is a nice homage to Archer’s knowledge. Yours would fit well into the book you mention.
 
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Popped into an OB today at a mall in L.A. when I was there, anyway. After what happened to my new Railmaster, and after swimming several times in my Speedy Pro during the past year (with no problems), I did get to thinking. My Pro is about two years old now, so I wondered, what exactly goes into this annual pressure check that is recommended?
So I inquired with the nice young guy on duty in the OB and told him where I was coming from and why. He was borderline amazed when I told him I swim in the Pro. I said, well, 50M is 50M. He then started giving me the old "Well, I don't recommend it with that watch, and yeah it's rated for 50M but that's static and when you swim the pressure increases ... "
I sort of cut him off and said, that's a myth. Immediately apologized for interrupting him but then explained briefly why it was mathematically silly. He's paid to be nice and continued to be nice but I could sort of vibe that he still thought I was nuts.
Anyway we talked for another few minutes and he told me he offers sending my watch (or anyone's Omega) free of charge to the San Diego OB and the tech they have there for a complimentary pressure check and cleaning, which I though was very nice. May do it. But I walked out thinking, yeah, most of the people who work here don't know much about reality in these matters. They recommend stuff on the super-safe side because they don't want to be blamed when it goes south, which I totally understand.
Regardless, point is I'm still a bit cloudy on what the actual course of action should be if you want to swim in your watch. "They" say you should do an annual pressure check. OK, makes sense. But if the watch passes the test on two-year-old seals, then what? You just go another year? I'm not dumb enough to think seals that pass the test on a Tuesday might not the next Friday. Things degrade gradually and fail over time, they don't go from 100 to 0 instantly.
Maybe @Archer can chime in here. If I want to keep swimming in my watches, maybe it's really advisable to replace the seals once per year regardless of the results of a pressure test? I'm leaning that way, more than just a little bit.
 
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Maybe @Archer can chime in here. If I want to keep swimming in my watches, maybe it's really advisable to replace the seals once per year regardless of the results of a pressure test? I'm leaning that way, more than just a little bit.

As I've said, the pressure test is just a snapshot in time, so it only tells you the current state of the seals. It's not a predictor of the future state, so how do you know how long the seals will last? I guess my view on this is that factory recommended service intervals are for the entire watch, not just the movement. All watch companies replace all seals every time they service a watch, and that service interval is generally every 5 years or so (yes some are more and some less, but this is sort of the typical length I've seen over the past couple of decades).

If you take that as a guide, then the seals should last 5 years or so. I think replacing them every year is overkill myself, but it depends on how much the watch gets used and how it gets used. With the crown seal on the Speedmaster Pro being "worn" every day during winding, it is likely the weak spot. If you don't wear the watch every day, and like most here have a rotation, then I would be more inclined to let the seal change go a little longer than someone who winds and wears it every day.

But in the end, you have to do what you are comfortable with.

Cheers, Al
 
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Personally, I don’t wear watches in or near the water lacking a screw down crown. Hope all goes well with Omega.
 
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As I've said, the pressure test is just a snapshot in time, so it only tells you the current state of the seals. It's not a predictor of the future state, so how do you know how long the seals will last? I guess my view on this is that factory recommended service intervals are for the entire watch, not just the movement. All watch companies replace all seals every time they service a watch, and that service interval is generally every 5 years or so (yes some are more and some less, but this is sort of the typical length I've seen over the past couple of decades).

If you take that as a guide, then the seals should last 5 years or so. I think replacing them every year is overkill myself, but it depends on how much the watch gets used and how it gets used. With the crown seal on the Speedmaster Pro being "worn" every day during winding, it is likely the weak spot. If you don't wear the watch every day, and like most here have a rotation, then I would be more inclined to let the seal change go a little longer than someone who winds and wears it every day.

But in the end, you have to do what you are comfortable with.

Cheers, Al
Thanks, Al, that was the sort of input I was looking for. I didn't know what, exactly, I was comfortable with because I had only ever gotten as far as the general advice to have the pressure test done annually. That's when it occurred to me, yeah so the watch passes the test, what do I actually do with that information, then?
My Speedy doesn't get worn every day, but it gets worn let's say at least half the time. I hadn't considered the crown seal wearing as a result of winding, so thank you for pointing that out.
I think next month once I get my RM back, I'll have the OB send it out to the other OB for the pressure test. Will probably just ask them to replace the seals, unless the cost is exorbitant. At this point, they are probably closer to three years old than two from the actual date of manufacture. Thanks again for the additional input, as always.
 
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Just to report back that Omega accepted the watch back and likely be repaired under warranty, pending outcome of diagnostics from the service centre. Should have it back within 4 weeks.

Interesting remark from the OB rep was that the dial would potentially not be covered under the warranty, only the movement. Lets see what the diagnostic comes back with but that does not seem right to me, when they acknowledge faulty product performance, then why only partly rectify it. Have a feel it won't come to that though.

Interesting note on the dial btw, using the magnifying glass in the store, the luminova seemed mostly effected, some raindrop-like build up had formed on them, which appeared as crystals to the naked eye.

Will let you know how the story ends...thanks for the (emotional) support so far!
 
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Interesting remark from the OB rep was that the dial would potentially not be covered under the warranty, only the movement. Lets see what the diagnostic comes back with but that does not seem right to me, when they acknowledge faulty product performance, then why only partly rectify it. Have a feel it won't come to that though.

Interesting note on the dial btw, using the magnifying glass in the store, the luminova seemed mostly effected, some raindrop-like build up had formed on them, which appeared as crystals to the naked eye.

Will let you know how the story ends...thanks for the (emotional) support so far!
That’s nonsense. Omega is covering a new dial and new hands on mine, no questions asked.
 
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Just to report back that Omega accepted the watch back and likely be repaired under warranty, pending outcome of diagnostics from the service centre. Should have it back within 4 weeks.

Interesting remark from the OB rep was that the dial would potentially not be covered under the warranty, only the movement. Lets see what the diagnostic comes back with but that does not seem right to me, when they acknowledge faulty product performance, then why only partly rectify it. Have a feel it won't come to that though.

Interesting note on the dial btw, using the magnifying glass in the store, the luminova seemed mostly effected, some raindrop-like build up had formed on them, which appeared as crystals to the naked eye.

Will let you know how the story ends...thanks for the (emotional) support so far!
Any update, @jackjacob?
Tomorrow will mark four weeks since I dropped my RM off at the service center. As of now, the online Omega system shows they are still waiting for parts. The original estimated completion date is a week from tomorrow. I'm thinking it doesn't look good for having the watch back by then. But I suppose if the parts show up by tomorrow and they were to jump right on it, it could probably be done. Not counting on it, though.
 
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Any update, @jackjacob?
Tomorrow will mark four weeks since I dropped my RM off at the service center. As of now, the online Omega system shows they are still waiting for parts. The original estimated completion date is a week from tomorrow. I'm thinking it doesn't look good for having the watch back by then. But I suppose if the parts show up by tomorrow and they were to jump right on it, it could probably be done. Not counting on it, though.

Just got the watch back. Totally chuffed with the results, everything looks great, couldn't be happier, Omega done a great job and kept a fervent enthusiast.

I'll be way more reserved going forward in taking the Railmaster close to water though. Even though it should be up to the job, trust has eroded in this particular model, just don't want to risk it. Maybe a screw down model needs to be added to the collection now... a (sub) 40mm Seamaster, with date, preferably without the Helium valve, would certainly tick a lot of boxes...one can hope, maybe the new Bond model?

@rainking. Attached is the status trail my repair walked through. It took about a week for the parts to be received, followed by the service which took 4 days to complete. Maybe within Europe delivery is quicker than Switzerland to US? Maybe you can give the Service Centre a call to ask for an update? Really hope you'll get yours back shortly.
 
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Just got the watch back. Totally chuffed with the results, everything looks great, couldn't be happier, Omega done a great job and kept a fervent enthusiast.

I'll be way more reserved going forward in taking the Railmaster close to water though. Even though it should be up to the job, trust has eroded in this particular model, just don't want to risk it. Maybe a screw down model needs to be added to the collection now... a (sub) 40mm Seamaster, with date, preferably without the Helium valve, would certainly tick a lot of boxes...one can hope, maybe the new Bond model?

@rainking. Attached is the status trail my repair walked through. It took about a week for the parts to be received, followed by the service which took 4 days to complete. Maybe within Europe delivery is quicker than Switzerland to US? Maybe you can give the Service Centre a call to ask for an update? Really hope you'll get yours back shortly.
Man, they sure turned yours around quick, great to see you got it back in fine shape. Mine STILL says waiting for parts today lol. But I’m sure it’ll get done shortly.
 
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Interesting to notice they started the service on the 12th and finished it the 16th. I would have expected they would take some more time for testing. I know for a fact the Rolex guidelines are 2 weeks on test before releasing the serviced watch again to the customer on a wrist simulating mill.

As a second thought on your incident. You were on a hot day wearing the watch. The air in the wat h gets hot and expands. This overpressure will seap very slowly over the cause of one or more hours past the seals to the outside world and the pressure gets the same as the outside pressure. After some time you jump in the cold water, the air in the wat h rapidly cools down and creates and underpressure inside the watchcase, in other words it starts to suck on the seals. If ther is only a slight imperfection on the sals, the seats of the seals they will leak and you will suck in a tiny amount of water. You get out of the water, the watch warms up, it looks all fine no condensation, but later that day you the temperature drops, or you get inside and now the glass cools down and you notice the condensation of the suck in water.

So bottomline, if you have a waterresistant watch (anything below 100 mtrs or more) cool down the watch a bit by covering it with you hand till it gets to body temperatue and than enter the cold water. This helps to prevent the pressure shock of the air inside the watch.

Btw, nice to hear Omega gave you a hassle free guarantee treament

Br

Ron
 
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You are leaving out the part where warmer air holds more moisture than cooler air. The whole 'explanation' above is based on the premise that there is an air leak in one (or more) or the seals.
 
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Mine finally updated to service in progress. Will probably have it back end of this week.
EDIT: Interestingly, today (Aug. 30) my info updated to service complete ... but instead of telling me it was ready to pick up, a new line item appeared that says they are now once again waiting for parts. Not sure how the service can be complete but they are waiting for parts. Didn’t get a chance to call and ask, guess I’ll find out next week.
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Welp. Today, almost exactly 2.5 months after I dropped off my RM at the L.A. service center, I picked it up. They did a great job as far as I could tell. It seems the culprit to the water/condensation getting into the watch--and I'm making an educated guess--was the case tube. The guy I have dealt with before at the service center wasn't there when I picked it up; he usually seems to know more specifics on what happened, but the nice woman who gave it back to me today didn't seem to really know.
However, going by the service tracking provided by the Swatch Group's site throughout the process: As mentioned in my post above, the watch was listed as service complete and then it went back to waiting for parts. I called and found out that they had to order a new case tube, which was not originally part of the parts order or estimate. So I could be totally wrong, but I figured they replaced the dial and hands and seals etc, but maybe the watch still failed the pressure testing right at the end and then they finally figured out the culprit.
But now the bad, mega-annoying part: All looked good in the lighting in the service center. Drove back to my office, and sitting at my desk, looked down at the watch and suddenly noticed what is either a spec of dust or debris or a scratch on the replacement dial. It's obvious to the naked eye when the light is right. SMFH. I know in the end it's not a big deal but now I have to take it back yet again after 2.5 months. Really hoping it turns out to be something they can just clean off. If they have to order yet another dial (if it's a scratch or defect in the actual dial), it could easily be another month without the watch. Sigh LOL
 
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@rainking i feel yea... I sent a 1 month (at the time) old SMP to have a dust particle removed a couple of months ago and it came back with 3 particles at other places.