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Bimmerman77
·Now who isn’t paying attention? He mentions the warranty card in post 1. You’ll have to join me in dunces corner!
Condensation Omega Trilogy Railmaster 1957
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Damnit I had to reread the post lol. Thanks for clarifying! Guess the OP is good to go then!
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Bimmerman77
·There is still the chance that the card is blank or wasn’t filled in by an AD. Omega could knock it back for that reason.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThere is still the chance that the card is blank or wasn’t filled in by an AD. Omega could knock it back for that reason. The grey market watches supplied in Europe by the sellers I mentioned above are sourced in other markets from ADs so have valid cards.
Indeed warranty card
valid warranty card.The card itself is useless unless filled out properly.
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jackjacob
·Indeed warranty cardvalid warranty card.
The card itself is useless unless filled out properly.
Guess I need to clarify this as soon as possible, don’t want to leave you guys hanging 😀. Will post back when returned home from hols.
Pretty sure warranty card was completely legit, some high street UK watch seller.
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jackjacob
·Position of the crown is irrelevant to water resistance. In fact I just got a quartz SMP in yesterday with stripped threads and a crown that can't screw in:
Pressure testing at -0.7 bar, and then +10 bar:
Passed both tests:
Stripped case tube on the left, and new one on the right:
If you have a valid warranty on the RM, Omega will make it right.
Cheers, Al
Thanks for chipping in Archer, very interesting that position crown does not affect water resistance, and good to hear that likely Omega will make it right, can’t wait
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jackjacob
·Advice from Omega boutique London was to take the crown out to aid condensation getting out and avoid further damaging the internals, mostly the dial
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rainking
·I for one have a valid warranty card and have no doubts that my RM, now at the service center, will be repaired properly and wonderfully. @jackjacob seems to have a valid card as well.
Thanks @Archer for chiming in with actual facts, as usual. Clearly some people here will think I'm crazy, but when I get my watch back, with documentation that it has passed the tests and is "restored to its original condition," as Omega has printed right on the card it gives you following service, I will take no more care to avoid water than I did in the first place. I'll probably take it swimming, too. Just like Omega says I can. I give no effs about what happened the first time, clearly something was wrong. I expect it to be fixed properly, and when that happens, the previous water debacle is irrelevant. If it happens again, that's Omega's problem, not mine. They'll fix it again, then, and again and again until they get it right if need be.
If I bought a Porsche GT3 RS and the engine blew up during my first track day with it, and Porsche replaced it under warranty, I'd take my repaired car right back on the track, not lock it away in my garage or only drive it to the mall from then on. If you can't use things the way they are intended to be used, there is no point in having them anymore. I don't spend thousands of dollars on watches I can't even take in a swimming pool. That's nonsense to me, and I'm not going to walk around guarding my watches from water. If they're truly that fragile and vulnerable, then I'll seriously have to revise my opinion of what a quality watch really is and how good of products Omega actually makes. But I do not expect to have to do this whatsoever. At the end of the day, these are just watches that should function as advertised, and I expect that's what will ultimately happen with my Railmaster.
Thanks @Archer for chiming in with actual facts, as usual. Clearly some people here will think I'm crazy, but when I get my watch back, with documentation that it has passed the tests and is "restored to its original condition," as Omega has printed right on the card it gives you following service, I will take no more care to avoid water than I did in the first place. I'll probably take it swimming, too. Just like Omega says I can. I give no effs about what happened the first time, clearly something was wrong. I expect it to be fixed properly, and when that happens, the previous water debacle is irrelevant. If it happens again, that's Omega's problem, not mine. They'll fix it again, then, and again and again until they get it right if need be.
If I bought a Porsche GT3 RS and the engine blew up during my first track day with it, and Porsche replaced it under warranty, I'd take my repaired car right back on the track, not lock it away in my garage or only drive it to the mall from then on. If you can't use things the way they are intended to be used, there is no point in having them anymore. I don't spend thousands of dollars on watches I can't even take in a swimming pool. That's nonsense to me, and I'm not going to walk around guarding my watches from water. If they're truly that fragile and vulnerable, then I'll seriously have to revise my opinion of what a quality watch really is and how good of products Omega actually makes. But I do not expect to have to do this whatsoever. At the end of the day, these are just watches that should function as advertised, and I expect that's what will ultimately happen with my Railmaster.
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rainking
·The latest. Getting full service of course, plus new dial and new hands. Not thrilled about their estimated completion date in late August, but what can you do.
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JeremyS
·Well, that's a pretty good result. Disappointing that it happened, but good on Omega for addressing the issue with no fuss or pushback. I've had a couple service experiences with Swatch where the actual completion date beat their estimate, so perhaps you'll get it back sooner.
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rainking
·Well, that's a pretty good result. Disappointing that it happened, but good on Omega for addressing the issue with no fuss or pushback. I've had a couple service experiences with Swatch where the actual completion date beat their estimate, so perhaps you'll get it back sooner.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerHopefully it's a case of giving an estimate on the longish side just so they don't have people complaining if they give an earlier estimate and then don't get it done in time.
Likely a case of under promise and over deliver...pretty standard stuff. To be honest you don't want them rushing anything anyway...
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rainking
·Likely a case of under promise and over deliver...pretty standard stuff. To be honest you don't want them rushing anything anyway...
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LeonDeBayonne
·Absolutely. Definitely don't want anything rushed, I won't be bugging them about it whatsoever. All I care about is getting it taken care of 100-percent properly so once I do get it back, I can enjoy it to the fullest. It's definitely a shame and a bit frustrating any of this occurred in the first place, but shit happens. I'm not stressed about it.
I enjoy my speed and RM 60th to the fullest as well... but take them off when I take a shower and swim. I never trusted these water resistance levels, although I do not have the scientific proof of what I come up with (I looked for it on the web but have to admit that I could not find anything). I just notice the relatively high number of occurences of people having problems with these watches when they swim, shower or just expose them to water. It would quite extraordinary that these occurences would all due be to bad luck or failed parts. As such, I just believe that it may due to the design (crown, pushers, caseback?) which increases the probability of water getting into the watch. Furthermore, watches are being pressure tested motionless. In reality, when you crawl or dive, your watch is exposed to brutal movements. And that could explain these accidents.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!On a healthy Omega, 60m means 60m, no ifs or buts. If more than is normal are failing then there is a manufacturing or testing flaw, simple as that. In fact we have no conclusive evidence that more than is normal are failing. Leon before you are subjected to being keel-hauling by many, I suggest you read up on the so called 'dynamic pressure myth' as those who use arguments like that in your last couple of sentences are treated pretty harshly on watch forums, the said theory is not based in scientific fact...
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Mouse_at_Large
·I enjoy my speed and RM 60th to the fullest as well... but take them off when I take a shower and swim. I never trusted these water resistance levels, although I do not have the scientific proof of what I come up with (I looked for it on the web but have to admit that I could not find anything). I just notice the relatively high number of occurences of people having problems with these watches when they swim, shower or just expose them to water. It would quite extraordinary that these occurences would all due be to bad luck or failed parts. As such, I just believe that it may due to the design (crown, pushers, caseback?) which increases the probability of water getting into the watch. Furthermore, watches are being pressure tested motionless. In reality, when you crawl or dive, your watch is exposed to brutal movements. And that could explain these accidents.
"brutal movements" see https://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/sigh-myth-busting-again-610734.html
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LeonDeBayonne
·"brutal movements" see https://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/sigh-myth-busting-again-610734.html
Could you please explain this : "So, the actual pressure increase on the gaskets of a watch being towed at 50 kph at 300 meters is not going to be the 1 atm we calculated as the dynamic pressure, but will depend on the where the gaskets are in relation to the flow lines and how many turns the fluid must make to get to them." I don't get it.
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Bugbait
·If the seals are working as expected then 30m or 50m should be enough for general swimming. Flik Flaks are rated for 30m and are advertised as washing machine safe. I've washed my son's Flik Flak in the washing machine before and it was fine. I've taken him swimming in it for up to 2 hours at a time, submerged for the vast majority of the period as well.
I swim with my X-33 Gen2 which is 30m or 50m rated. The biggest concerns I have with the X-33 are accidentally activating the crown (not hard to do) and pushers while submerged so it's a bit of a gamble. It's my tool watch for sports and sweaty summer so I put it under the tap and shower for a clean many times a year. Had it for 14 years with 2 full services in that time and it's still ticking along. First was due to falling onto blue stone while very drunk and scratching the hell out of the bracelet about 2 months after getting it (was gutting to look at the deep scratches). Second was when the bracelet spring wore out so thought I may as well have a full service since it had been almost 8 years as a daily wearer by then.
As Archer and others have mentioned many times on many posts, it doesn't matter if the rating is 50m or 600m if the seals fail while swimming then moisture will get inside. Hopefully warranty sorts it out 😀.
I swim with my X-33 Gen2 which is 30m or 50m rated. The biggest concerns I have with the X-33 are accidentally activating the crown (not hard to do) and pushers while submerged so it's a bit of a gamble. It's my tool watch for sports and sweaty summer so I put it under the tap and shower for a clean many times a year. Had it for 14 years with 2 full services in that time and it's still ticking along. First was due to falling onto blue stone while very drunk and scratching the hell out of the bracelet about 2 months after getting it (was gutting to look at the deep scratches). Second was when the bracelet spring wore out so thought I may as well have a full service since it had been almost 8 years as a daily wearer by then.
As Archer and others have mentioned many times on many posts, it doesn't matter if the rating is 50m or 600m if the seals fail while swimming then moisture will get inside. Hopefully warranty sorts it out 😀.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerCould you please explain this : "So, the actual pressure increase on the gaskets of a watch being towed at 50 kph at 300 meters is not going to be the 1 atm we calculated as the dynamic pressure, but will depend on the where the gaskets are in relation to the flow lines and how many turns the fluid must make to get to them." I don't get it.
It's pretty self explanatory, but essentially the "pressure" being exerted is not directly on the seal locations to put it very simply.
Even if it was, a 1 atmosphere pressure increase is negligible when swimming, so the bottom line is that myth has long been busted.
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perks713
·I'd be willing to buy a nicely printed copy of all of Archer's posts in book form... Things My Watch Maker Said - 2019 edition. Specifically his break downs on how things actually work and examples of different tests he's doing. @Archer 's posts are one of the best reasons to read through these kinds of threads 😀
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