Chrono24 Seller Hachimura Watch Japan Legit?

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I am on the hunt for a watch for my wife’s birthday, and the latest range of Omega Constellations have caught my eye. Looking on Chrono24 I found a nice-looking example for at a much lower price than I would expect for a jewelled bezel and watch of that calibre. I’m thinking that this is too good to be true but wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience where the offer turned out to be a genuine bargain rather than a scam.

Link to the article in question: https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omeg...ter-lady-watch-12318352056001--id34203183.htm
 
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Please post a picture, not a link, and describe what is causing your hesitation. How different is the price from that of the others available out there? What was your expectation? Has the watch in question, although recent, been discontinued? Etc...
(PS, lucky wife)
 
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Ask for references and at worst, if it's still a concern, see if they're willing to deal with an escrow service. The escrow fee may be worth it if the price is indeed much lower than other similar offerings.
 
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They have over 4,800 reviews on Chrono24 with a 4.9 rating. I don't think it's a scam operation.

Keep in mind the yen is very weak right now so there are some major deals to be had out of Japan.
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Many Japanese sellers post listings for watches that they don't actually have. Sometimes they can get the watch and ship it to you, but sometimes they will just cancel, or try to do a switch. The listing you posted specifically says

Availability: Item needs to be procured.

Regardless of the JPY conversion, it's unlikely that you're going to get a screaming deal on C24. It's an international platform.
 
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Many Japanese sellers post listings for watches that they don't actually have. Sometimes they can get the watch and ship it to you, but sometimes they will just cancel, or try to do a switch. The listing you posted specifically says

Availability: Item needs to be procured.

I had not noticed that. That's BS. I would never waste my time with a seller that did not have the watch in hand. Jomashop does this all the time.
 
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Many Japanese sellers post listings for watches that they don't actually have. Sometimes they can get the watch and ship it to you, but sometimes they will just cancel, or try to do a switch. The listing you posted specifically says

Availability: Item needs to be procured.

Regardless of the JPY conversion, it's unlikely that you're going to get a screaming deal on C24. It's an international platform.

I didn't know this. Sorry to take this a little off topic but why do they do the listings then, are they acting as middle men and the watches sometimes sell elsewhere first, or do these watches flat out not exist? I would have thought uploading photos of a watch you don't actually have is against the terms of service.
 
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" I’m thinking that this is too good to be true but wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience where the offer turned out to be a genuine bargain rather than a scam." ???
 
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are they acting as middle men and the watches sometimes sell elsewhere first, or do these watches flat out not exist?
The watches exist. It’s a practice that happens almost exclusively in Japan and predominantly on eBay. You will know you found an example when you search for a watch on eBay and find a dozen +/- Japanese ebay stores all selling the exact same watch, using the exact same pictures, all with slightly different (but marked up) prices. How it works is, these flippers will find a product on a platform like Yahoo Japan (auctions), Mercari, Rakuten, etc, which is the perfect hunting ground as many of the sellers on those platforms won’t ship internationally without the buyer going through a Proxy. These flippers will relist the item for significant markups, all hoping an unsuspecting buyer will buy it from them. They will then take the money from the sale, attempt to purchase the item, forward it to the unsuspecting buyer, and keep the profit. Or, and this happens often, the item was sold out from under them on the original platform, they can’t purchase it, and cancel the sale.

It sometimes happens where these flippers will sell an item where the original source is also on eBay. You will know you have found the original source when you found the cheapest listing, as, again, all the flippers have a significant markup. Often times a simple reverse image search will lead you to the true seller of the item. If you ever see members on the forum say they wish they could exclude Japan from their eBay searches, this is almost certainly the reason why. You can find the same various watches listed dozens of times and it becomes annoying to scroll through those.
 
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I didn't know this. Sorry to take this a little off topic but why do they do the listings then, are they acting as middle men and the watches sometimes sell elsewhere first, or do these watches flat out not exist? I would have thought uploading photos of a watch you don't actually have is against the terms of service.
It's seems to be a well known MO for "sellers", mostly located in Japan from my experience.
I think I posted an example of a watch with at least five or six "sellers".
Unless the actual seller had multiple accounts, there must have been some "on-sellers".

As to legality of this practice? It's the Wild West side of eBay so rules are, ah....., well, no rules.
 
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Excellent, this explains a lot, thanks guys. I've definitely seen this while window shopping on Chrono24 before but didn't really know the deal.
 
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Regardless of the JPY conversion, it's unlikely that you're going to get a screaming deal on C24. It's an international platform.
This. Everyone thinks there's Rolex waiting to be snatched up, but many seem to forget the above.
 
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On Chrono24 I always use the 'in stock' filter when I look at watches, I'm not interested in sellers that don't have the watch in hand. Example, this morning there are 82 pieces of the 321 Ed White shown, but only 67 are in stock. Or 50th Snoopy, 187 shown but only 132 in stock. Why bother looking at a bunch of watches that have to be procured?
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Great advice all (and definitely worth considering whether to get the wife’s opinion before buying @ac921ol , still on the fence about that to be honest because I’d ideally like it to be a surprise, but it’d be a rather expensive miss if she ends up not liking it).

I’ll definitely filter for «in stock» in future, I don’t like the idea of my purchase being some form of hidden derivatives transaction as you describe above.

Thanks!
 
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A large number of the Japan sellers are middleman sellers.
 
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For a birthday gift, probably better to buy it from a brick-and-mortar shop or at least somewhere nearby in case there are any issues.
 
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The watches exist. It’s a practice that happens almost exclusively in Japan and predominantly on eBay. You will know you found an example when you search for a watch on eBay and find a dozen +/- Japanese ebay stores all selling the exact same watch, using the exact same pictures, all with slightly different (but marked up) prices. How it works is, these flippers will find a product on a platform like Yahoo Japan (auctions), Mercari, Rakuten, etc, which is the perfect hunting ground as many of the sellers on those platforms won’t ship internationally without the buyer going through a Proxy. These flippers will relist the item for significant markups, all hoping an unsuspecting buyer will buy it from them. They will then take the money from the sale, attempt to purchase the item, forward it to the unsuspecting buyer, and keep the profit. Or, and this happens often, the item was sold out from under them on the original platform, they can’t purchase it, and cancel the sale.

It sometimes happens where these flippers will sell an item where the original source is also on eBay. You will know you have found the original source when you found the cheapest listing, as, again, all the flippers have a significant markup. Often times a simple reverse image search will lead you to the true seller of the item. If you ever see members on the forum say they wish they could exclude Japan from their eBay searches, this is almost certainly the reason why. You can find the same various watches listed dozens of times and it becomes annoying to scroll through those.
Dear member,

Thank you for the explanation. I have question: sometimes on C24 the seller ( not from Japan), says: ' need to check availability '. Is it the same 'business' model as the Japanese's one?

Best regards

Mam
 
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Dear member,

Thank you for the explanation. I have question: sometimes on C24 the seller ( not from Japan), says: ' need to check availability '. Is it the same 'business' model as the Japanese's one?

Best regards

Mam
Why assume? You should send a message to the seller and ask.
 
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Why assume? You should send a message to the seller and ask.
Yes it makes sense.