'Cheapest Nato Straps' SALE

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Encloses extracts of essential parts of the Consumer Agency that apply to sellers and buyers. Another reason why I rejected her claim is that the band is also fake. Kvarnsjö made in Sweden. There is no tannery in Kvarnsjö. however, it is in Tärnsjö and it is a large and well-known tannery. CNS wants to imitate Tärnsjö by using a name similar to Tärnsjö. and I am not alone in this view. any opinion on it? Wearing a fake band is as bad as wearing a fake Rolex

 
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Encloses extracts of essential parts of the Consumer Agency that apply to sellers and buyers.


We read the same text, but interpret it quite differently, I see. I can understand why you say as you do, but you have to find some very different material than what you are quoting here in order to support your case, I am afraid.

Let me try to explain:

There are several ways of resolving a claim like yours. In the material you quoted there are listed:
a: repairing the item.
b: replacing the item.
c. give a partial refund.
d. give a complete refund.
e. pay for the consumer's repair of the item.
f + g. paying damages, etc.

You obviously go straight to option d, even though option b was offered to you. As I read the text from Konsumentverket (which is the correct authority for this in Sweden, am I right?) these options are all steps of escalation, which indeed is the case in all international trade law. In the link I offered previously - and I am guessing it is the right place for this since you haven't said otherwise - it even says so, stating that the rule of thumb is that the buyer has the right to either getting a fault repaired or getting a replacement if this doesn't confer unreasonable expenses on the seller : https://www.konsumentverket.se/glob...nd-konsumentkoplagen-2016-konsumentverket.pdf

Huvudregeln är att köparen har rätt att välja mellan avhjälpande och omleverans om valet inte orsakar säljaren oskälig kostnad.

In order for the seller to not live up to the letter of the law, the seller's suggested solution would have to somehow not fully replace the item in some manner. It does in this case, but there are instances where it could be viable, for instance if the product had been purchased for use at a specific event or so and a replacement wouldn't make it to the buyer in time. In some instances (not necessarily here!) a different replacement item that would fulfill the original purpose of the purchased item could also be sufficient. Nothing you've stated here so far tells us that a replacement strap wouldn't fully replace your purchase.

Remember that these laws are also in place to give sellers some sort of protection from people raising unreasonable claims, which is one of the reason for the "give" in the wording of the law.


Another reason why I rejected her claim is that the band is also fake. Kvarnsjö made in Sweden. There is no tannery in Kvarnsjö. however, it is in Tärnsjö and it is a large and well-known tannery. CNS wants to imitate Tärnsjö by using a name similar to Tärnsjö. and I am not alone in this view. any opinion on it? Wearing a fake band is as bad as wearing a fake Rolex

First off, I am not the one to judge whether there is some sort of trademark infringement or similar here, but that is besides the point - it has nothing to do with your case! The basis for your case is the faultily sized strap, not the trademark properties of the brand, these are two separate issues, one of which has little to do with the consumer law issue at hand. If you raised a trademark claim, it would be processed in a completely different way where the seller's advertising the look of the items, logos, etc would be compared and a comparison of the goods would be conducted. Cases concerning intellectual property are some of the most ridiculously difficult trade law cases to process and typically take years of lawyer work, expert statements, lab work and court time. And in all but the most open and shut cases they usually end up with the "copied" brand losing their case...

Secondly, if you had returned the watch within two weeks, you would have had your money back under a different set of consumer laws. However, since you chose to follow a different path of declaring the item faulty, the above options of resolving the issue are open and the way
the seller chose to act is fully within her right as a seller.

Finally: It was a cheap strap and it turned out to be a poor one. A replacement was offered. You are basically getting what you paid for.

This will be the last post I make on the subject, and if you still do not follow my reasoning or the way I have presented how trade law is interpreted, feel free to contact your own ombudsman and get them to explain it to you.
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I would like to show you the last email I received on May 1st from CNS.

This shows that she does not follow the law but devises her own regulations.
I have advertised the watch bracelet within 2 months which is a requirement and I have 3 years to advertise and incorrect product just as required by law.

You interpret the law in your way and I in my way.
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From CNS
We are making an exception to our policy with both the offer for replacement and the offer for exchange. Your order is over 3 months old, therefore does not actually qualify for exchange or replacement.

With that being said, I'm very sorry that you received the wrong size item, but you had more than enough time to contact us with this issue and did not. So therefore I cannot help you further.

Best regards, CNS team
CheapestNATOstraps.com



Sincerely, CNS team
CheapestNATOstraps.com
 
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Oh! that was not good. now i'm really glad i got the wrong bandwidth so i couldn't use them. It was good that you didn't damage your Omega. There is a lack of quality on their band and customer service is a disaster. more than half of the customers give the worst rating. I have learned the lesson of never trading anything more from the CNS.
 
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I have a good experience with them. Shipping to US takes about 7-10 days (14 days with COVID craziness). Customer service is good. I ended up canceling something I ordered once and had no issues - she just removed the item and gave me a refund.
As for quality - some of the cheapest cheapest straps are stiff and some of them have flimsy buckles. Your alternatives for the same price/quality????? Amzaon and eBay cheap Chinese crap. I'm all in for supporting small business like this. Here are some pictures, so you can look at them with different watches. I don't have any expensive watches - so these straps are good for me (I'm buying not just straps, she has some other leather goods).
P.S. Sorry for those who had bad experience . BTW she has special discount for OF members ("omegaforums" gives you 10%, if I remember right ).
 
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I've had nothing but positive experiences; the seat belt NATOs are particularly good.
 
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Here's my Ed on a green CNS nato. The nato is okay, certainly worth the price 😀

 
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Won’t use a cheap strap again after nearly loosing my Speedmaster especially a canvas one.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/friggen-lucky.84267/


Was this a CNS strap?

I've ordered a lot of straps from them. Some are very good, some not so good. For the pricing I'm okay with what I get, as they are clearly not high end straps.

As for someone complaining about not getting a refund on a ~$8 strap when you have been offered a replacement, and making a point to complain on line and quote laws...seems like someone I wouldn't want as a customer to be honest...
 
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Was this a CNS strap?

I've ordered a lot of straps from them. Some are very good, some not so good. For the pricing I'm okay with what I get, as they are clearly not high end straps.

As for someone complaining about not getting a refund on a ~$8 strap when you have been offered a replacement, and making a point to complain on line and quote laws...seems like someone I wouldn't want as a customer to be honest...
It would probably cost more to return it, than get a replacement and be happy 😀
 
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CNS straps are ok .
Because of their price you can "test" colour combinations which I find convenient. I was especially surprised how good the DRSD looked on a $5.95 ice blue CNS
 
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I also took advantage of their sale and purchased 6 straps. No complaints about the quality or service. For the money they offer great straps allowing a bit of experimentation.

 
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Was this a CNS strap?

I've ordered a lot of straps from them. Some are very good, some not so good. For the pricing I'm okay with what I get, as they are clearly not high end straps.

As for someone complaining about not getting a refund on a ~$8 strap when you have been offered a replacement, and making a point to complain on line and quote laws...seems like someone I wouldn't want as a customer to be honest...



Was either CNS or watchobsession not 100% sure as had it for a while before I used it.
Don’t do either anymore.
 
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Does anyone remember the drama on Instagram when Crown & Buckle started tearing into CNS for making forgeries of their Chevron straps? There was a lot of name calling as I remember.

Either way, CNS seems to clearly be adopting the 'Chinese' business model of emulating popular designs and undercutting the market with a cheaper product.
 
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I used to buy a bunch from them, some were great, others were not, If you like natos - its a great way to test some out and the price points allow to have large volumes and a low TCO.

However I do treat them as disposable items - that said there must be 20 in my strap box that I will not use again.

My current philosophy is small hand made shop in the 50 to 250 usd range, and buy in low volume, only what Im sure I want.

however I do track CNS just to see what they have on the go.
 
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However I do treat them as disposable items

Straps, no matter how good, are essentially consumables...
 
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Straps, no matter how good, are essentially consumables...
True, but if i spend 250 bucks and it falls apart after a few uses I'll be upset, if I spend 15 I'm unlikely to give it a second thought. However I agree, no strap lasts for ever (cue a pic of a strap from 1944, mint )
 
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True, but if i spend 250 bucks and it falls apart after a few uses I'll be upset, if I spend 15 I'm unlikely to give it a second thought. However I agree, no strap lasts for ever (cue a pic of a strap from 1944, mint )

I know - I've spent anywhere from $5 to $500, as I'm a strap guy and don't generally wear bracelets. The only way a strap stays mint is if no one is using it.