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pitpro
·Beware, the one on eBay at the moment is a redial
with other problems as well
with other problems as well
Centenary 2500 JUB Serial Numbers
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pitpro
·I found another 180xxxxx It's also Rose gold
No. 10825161
Maybe they made the Rose Gold with Yellow Gold dials
at the end of production. Maybe add another column for
Metal color and dial color
Sale Information
Sale: 1509
Location: Hôtel Marcel Dassault
Date: 8 Dec 2008 16:30
Comments
Sessions
8 December 4:30pm: Lots 1-245
8 December 8pm: Lots 246-496
9 December 8pm: Lots 497-End
Omega
Auction venue : Paris Auction date : December 8th 2008
Auction number : 1509 Lot number : 503
Estimate : 1000 - 1500
Result : 1148
Case
Materials : Gold
Thickness : N/C
Diameter : 36
Water resistance : N/C
Dial
Glass : N/C
Color : Golden
Cadran or deux tons avec index flèches en or, petite trotteuse à 6 heures, aiguilles Dauphine or. Cadran signé.
Two tone gold dial with gold index arrows, small second hand at 6 o'clock, gold Dauphine hands. Dial signed.
Movement
Movement : Self-winding
Caliber : N/C
Complications : Subsidiary constant seconds
Mouvement automatique à butées calibre 30.10 R-A P-C, certifié chronomètre (le plus plat de son époque). Mouvement signé.
Strap
Material : N/C
Clasp : N/C
Origin & condition
Year of production : 1948
Number of pieces produced : N/C
Lot status : N/C
Accessories : Without case - Without documentation
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Expert's description
Chronomètre Centenary", n° 10825161. Vers 1948. Rare montre anniversaire célébrant les 100 ans de la marque, considérée comme le prototype de la Constellation qui verra le jour en 1952. Boîtier rond et plat en or, attaches lyres. Cadran or deux tons avec index flèches en or, petite trotteuse à 6 heures, aiguilles Dauphine or. Mouvement automatique à butées calibre 30.10 R-A P-C, certifié chronomètre (le plus plat de son époque). Cadran, boîtier et mouvement signés. Vendue sans son bracelet. Diam.: 36 mm."
(Centenary Chronometer ", No. 10825161. Towards 1948. Shows Rare anniversary celebrating 100 years of the brand, considered the prototype of the Constellation which will be launched in 1952. Case round and flat gold lyres fasteners. Dial Two Tone Gold index arrows with gold, small second hand at 6 o'clock, gold Dauphine hands. stops automatic movement caliber 30.10 RA PC, certified Chronometer (the flat of his time). dial, case and signed. Sold without its bracelet. Diam movement. : 36 mm ".)
No. 10825161
Maybe they made the Rose Gold with Yellow Gold dials
at the end of production. Maybe add another column for
Metal color and dial color
Sale Information
Sale: 1509
Location: Hôtel Marcel Dassault
Date: 8 Dec 2008 16:30
Comments
Sessions
8 December 4:30pm: Lots 1-245
8 December 8pm: Lots 246-496
9 December 8pm: Lots 497-End
Omega
Auction venue : Paris Auction date : December 8th 2008
Auction number : 1509 Lot number : 503
Estimate : 1000 - 1500
Result : 1148
Case
Materials : Gold
Thickness : N/C
Diameter : 36
Water resistance : N/C
Dial
Glass : N/C
Color : Golden
Cadran or deux tons avec index flèches en or, petite trotteuse à 6 heures, aiguilles Dauphine or. Cadran signé.
Two tone gold dial with gold index arrows, small second hand at 6 o'clock, gold Dauphine hands. Dial signed.
Movement
Movement : Self-winding
Caliber : N/C
Complications : Subsidiary constant seconds
Mouvement automatique à butées calibre 30.10 R-A P-C, certifié chronomètre (le plus plat de son époque). Mouvement signé.
Strap
Material : N/C
Clasp : N/C
Origin & condition
Year of production : 1948
Number of pieces produced : N/C
Lot status : N/C
Accessories : Without case - Without documentation
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Expert's description
Chronomètre Centenary", n° 10825161. Vers 1948. Rare montre anniversaire célébrant les 100 ans de la marque, considérée comme le prototype de la Constellation qui verra le jour en 1952. Boîtier rond et plat en or, attaches lyres. Cadran or deux tons avec index flèches en or, petite trotteuse à 6 heures, aiguilles Dauphine or. Mouvement automatique à butées calibre 30.10 R-A P-C, certifié chronomètre (le plus plat de son époque). Cadran, boîtier et mouvement signés. Vendue sans son bracelet. Diam.: 36 mm."
(Centenary Chronometer ", No. 10825161. Towards 1948. Shows Rare anniversary celebrating 100 years of the brand, considered the prototype of the Constellation which will be launched in 1952. Case round and flat gold lyres fasteners. Dial Two Tone Gold index arrows with gold, small second hand at 6 o'clock, gold Dauphine hands. stops automatic movement caliber 30.10 RA PC, certified Chronometer (the flat of his time). dial, case and signed. Sold without its bracelet. Diam movement. : 36 mm ".)
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Privateday7
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😲 I don't care what currency it was, it is cheap for that condition !!!! ...and that's after OMEGAMANIA auction
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pitpro
·😲 I don't care what currency it was, it is cheap for that condition !!!! ...and that's after OMEGAMANIA auction
then with the collapse of Lehman Bros. in Sept of 2008,
and was in full blown crisis by December when that auction was held.
No one was buying Anything!
While looking around, I saw these watches go for $5000 regularly in
2007 at the peak of the Boom.
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John R Smith
·😲 I don't care what currency it was, it is cheap for that condition !!!! ...and that's after OMEGAMANIA auction
Someone got a crazy bargain there - price was in euros, I would think. I have made some corrections to the table as suggested, and I have e-mailed the shop in Portugal asking for a photo of the inside case-back. I have also added a new column for the edition number on the rating certificate, but so few still have their papers this will be pretty sparse I expect.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorFound a few more for you in the "sold" files.
Two from the Gisbert Joseph archives - Here is the first one:
Here is the second one:
The home office of Gisbert Joseph is in Spain, but they have agents in other parts of the world, I don't know what you would say for the country of origin.
There are several more at the Antiquorum archives. Some don't have movement serials or case numbers, but these two do:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=1&auctionid=214
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=21&auctionid=170
This one has what looks to be a correct movement serial, but the case number is incorrect:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=55&auctionid=158
I guess you could attribute these to the locations of the actual auction, but it is likely that the buyers took them out of the country after purchase.
This is fun!
gatorcpa
Two from the Gisbert Joseph archives - Here is the first one:
Here is the second one:
The home office of Gisbert Joseph is in Spain, but they have agents in other parts of the world, I don't know what you would say for the country of origin.
There are several more at the Antiquorum archives. Some don't have movement serials or case numbers, but these two do:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=1&auctionid=214
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=21&auctionid=170
This one has what looks to be a correct movement serial, but the case number is incorrect:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=55&auctionid=158
I guess you could attribute these to the locations of the actual auction, but it is likely that the buyers took them out of the country after purchase.
This is fun!
gatorcpa
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pitpro
·Found a few more for you in the "sold" files.
Two from the Gisbert Joseph archives - Here is the first one:
Here is the second one:
The home office of Gisbert Joseph is in Spain, but they have agents in other parts of the world, I don't know what you would say for the country of origin.
There are several more at the Antiquorum archives. Some don't have movement serials or case numbers, but these two do:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=1&auctionid=214
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=21&auctionid=170
This one has what looks to be a correct movement serial, but the case number is incorrect:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=55&auctionid=158
I guess you could attribute these to the locations of the actual auction, but it is likely that the buyers took them out of the country after purchase.
This is fun!
gatorcpa
Nice, that top one has the Chrono Cert. and No.
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John R Smith
·Gator said-
This one has what looks to be a correct movement serial, but the case number is incorrect:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=55&auctionid=158"
Yes, the case number is wrong - and on this one the crown and hands are incorrect, yet it made good money. Go figure, as you chaps would say. The table is now looking even more interesting, I will post an update soon 😉
This one has what looks to be a correct movement serial, but the case number is incorrect:
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalog.html?action=load&lotid=55&auctionid=158"
Yes, the case number is wrong - and on this one the crown and hands are incorrect, yet it made good money. Go figure, as you chaps would say. The table is now looking even more interesting, I will post an update soon 😉
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John R Smith
·I found another 180xxxxx It's also Rose gold No. 10825161
Maybe they made the Rose Gold with Yellow Gold dials at the end of production.
(Centenary Chronometer ", No. 10825161. Towards 1948. Shows Rare anniversary celebrating 100 years of the brand, considered the prototype of the Constellation which will be launched in 1952. Case round and flat gold lyres fasteners. Dial Two Tone Gold index arrows with gold, small second hand at 6 o'clock, gold Dauphine hands. stops automatic movement caliber 30.10 RA PC, certified Chronometer (the flat of his time). dial, case and signed. Sold without its bracelet. Diam movement. : 36 mm ".)
The trouble with this one is that the number could be the case number or the movement and we don't know which. So, sadly, I have decided not to include it for the present.
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ulackfocus
·Can I just ever so slightly hijack this thread and say, once again, how happy I am to have my 2500 and not fret the amount of shenanigans when buying nowadays?
That's not tacky, is it? Apologies to those who haven't gotten their own yet.
….. which begs the question: what the f🤬 are you waiting for????
That's not tacky, is it? Apologies to those who haven't gotten their own yet.
….. which begs the question: what the f🤬 are you waiting for????
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cicindela
··Steve @ ΩFCan I just ever so slightly hijack this thread and say, once again, how happy I am to have my 2500 and not fret the amount of shenanigans when buying nowadays?
That's not tacky, is it? Apologies to those who haven't gotten their own yet.
….. which begs the question: what the f🤬 are you waiting for????
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pitpro
·The trouble with this one is that the number could be the case number or the movement and we don't know which. So, sadly, I have decided not to include it for the present.
but..it would be nice to know where the series starts and ends.
Maybe, after more entries, we can extrapolate which
number it has to be.
I really would like to see the metal color
recorded John. I have a feeling , just
from observation, the Rose are realtively
more scarce.
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·Can I just ever so slightly hijack this thread and say, once again, how happy I am to have my 2500 and not fret the amount of shenanigans when buying nowadays?
That's not tacky, is it? Apologies to those who haven't gotten their own yet.
….. which begs the question: what the f🤬 are you waiting for????
This is a MUST own.
It ticks all the boxes, including size.
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JM251
·Can I just ever so slightly hijack this thread and say, once again, how happy I am to have my 2500 and not fret the amount of shenanigans when buying nowadays?
That's not tacky, is it? Apologies to those who haven't gotten their own yet.
….. which begs the question: what the f🤬 are you waiting for????
Where do I sign?
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Hijak
·Should have purchased the one Dennis had for sale recently and I'd be all set.
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John R Smith
·Right-ho, here is the updated table as of 0.900 GMT this morning. I have added a column for case material, but it is only populated for rose gold, otherwise YG is assumed.
I would be interested in any comments from you all, of course. We now have a sample of 27, which is still tiny but allows us to speculate. It does indeed begin to look as if there was a late batch of RG examples, which do group more or less together so far. Does anyone know if the Doug Gravina example (10785584) is RG? I can't really be sure from the photos. The very few Certificate numbers we have so far seem to have no sequence at all 😕 Perhaps the certificates were sent to the testing labs en-masse, and the lab just pulled them out at random to fill in for the movement they had on the bench at the time.
I would be interested in any comments from you all, of course. We now have a sample of 27, which is still tiny but allows us to speculate. It does indeed begin to look as if there was a late batch of RG examples, which do group more or less together so far. Does anyone know if the Doug Gravina example (10785584) is RG? I can't really be sure from the photos. The very few Certificate numbers we have so far seem to have no sequence at all 😕 Perhaps the certificates were sent to the testing labs en-masse, and the lab just pulled them out at random to fill in for the movement they had on the bench at the time.
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ulackfocus
·Does anyone know if the Doug Gravina example (10785584) is RG?
Your question is stated as if Doug only has one Centenary. He has a few. One of them has the engraved back. And yes, at least one is RG.
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John R Smith
·Your question is stated as if Doug only has one Centenary. He has a few. One of them has the engraved back. And yes, at least one is RG.
Sorry, let's be more precise. It's the one in Desmond's article on the Centenary watches -
Gorgeous, but is it RG? (My internet PC monitor is really crap, I can't tell).
