Case opening help please.

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An old 18k RG Juvenia bumper movement with scalloped caseback. I've tried using the ball method and caseback calipers but can't get the back open. The few watch repair persons I brought it couldn't open it either.

Appreciate any input please If there is a special tool for scalloped backs I can purchase do let me know. Thanks in advance.
 
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The OP says that he has already taken it to more than one watchmaker. The fake screw-in casebacks are usually on obscure diver-style watches, I've never seen one on a gold dress watch from a well-known brand, so I think it's very likely a screw-in that is just very difficult to open. @Radiumpassion's advice seems best at this point.
 
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Maybe the OP can add some more photos showing the watch from the side or at angles showing the case-back more clearly.
 
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One might make a mold of the back using Acraglass fiberglass bedding compound.
You could also check to see if the case opens both front and back. My SONA can be opened this way. It has a snap on case back and a snap on bezel with the scallop cut to allow it to be removed easily.
 
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I'd find someone with a caseback opener similar to one above, but that has the hard suction inserts.

Worst case, if you do have a case holder, supergluing a nut and using a socket wrench can work, believe it or not...
 
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Dear all, thank you for taking the time to write. The superglue method is a new one to me. I am certain the case is a screw back that's just tightly shut as Dan pointed out. There is no lip to insert a watch knife and a clear groove can be see all round the back.
 
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I have owned one dress watch in my life, and it was a Seiko quartz, so my experience is less than limited, but I didn't expect any dress watches had screw on backs. I haven't even seen a screw on gold colored dress watch. Is that common? I am not convinced still that this is a screw on back. Look VERY closely around the area where case meets back to see any slight notch. Use magnification.

So assuming it is threaded, it is likely one of those that haven't been opened in decades...or ever, and the gasket is now practically one with the threads. I tried the super glue thing once, and the glue was not strong enough to open the back I was torquing, but it might work for others.

My advice is still to find a watchmaker who can open it. There are watchmakers, and there are the guys in the mall who change batteries, and there are a class of guys calling themselves watchmakers who are more like amateurs. (ex: a guy who told me he needed my watch for 2 weeks to use an old family recipe to open it. I didn't leave it with him.) Find an actual watchmaker. Find someone who has something like this:




Plenty of gold dress watches with screw in casebacks around from this era.

Rose Gold Captain with a screw in caseback.
 
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Thank you sir. I do appreciate your taking the trouble. Will go purchase this. Thanks everyone for your input and time. Will update once the openers arrive.

Stay well and be safe.
 
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Found these on the bay

The Brietling ones may not fit.

The OP needs to measure the diameter of the caseback wrenching ring, then count the number of scallops, then search for a vintage caseback spanner.

Something like these.

 
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Thank you sir. I do appreciate your taking the trouble. Will go purchase this. Thanks everyone for your input and time. Will update once the openers arrive.

Stay well and be safe.

See my previous post.
 
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The Brietling ones may not fit.

The OP needs to measure the diameter of the caseback wrenching ring, then count the number of scallops, then search for a vintage caseback spanner.

Something like these.


I should have made a point of suggesting that he count the number of facets and measure the diameters first.
At least this demonstrates that there are still multi faceted wrenches available for this sort of case back.
 
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Dear Professor and Jim. Counting the facets was the first thing I did. Brietling has 15 facets and mine 18. Also the caseback is 23.5mm. Will contact rnhorological.co.uk to see if they can help. Thank you.
 
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After a few emails with online stores who were asking about number of scallops, case size,etc and that shipping can be slow, I thought the heck with it. Till I saw a local knick knack shop selling this deflated rubber ball for opening watch cases. Cost about US$3. It's terribly tacky like gum and worked a charm. Press the ball onto the case back, a sharp turn and the back loosened up. Amazing what people can think of. Thanks everyone for your help.

Be safe

 
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A good outcome and a nice watch. I have a similar ball, but had not recommended it to you before this as I have found that it does not cope with really tightly screwed in cases. When they are too tight (and especially when they are gold cases) I am terrified of gouging the case with my removal tools through ineptitude, so I have taken them to my friendly watchmaker. I am glad yours worked fine for you.
 
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Dear lindo,
thank you for your reply. It is a good bumper movement with a weighted balance wheel.

One thing I forgot to mention is that before encountering the ball I used a small screwdriver handle wrapped in cloth and tapped around the edges of the case back. Did it periodically for a few days actually (the watch will go in for service anyway). Perhaps that loosened the grip. But it's all good. Saved me some bucks there.

Be safe sir