Calling the copper dial experts

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I found this unusual 1940's timepiece on a foreign auction site. The dial and patina caught my eye as I'm attracted to the unusual rather than the run of the mill.

I'm not familiar with copper dials so I'm interested to see your thoughts on the patina and whether it appears legit? I think the dark leather strap really does it justice but that may be more personal preference.

It's advertised as follows:
Men's wristwatch, Omega, from 1941 (actually 1943), manual winding, stainless steel case,
Caliber 30T2,
Serial no. 9686841,
Patinated copper dial,
Arabic hours, black hands.

I'm tempted to lodge a cheeky bid but I'm struggling to find anything similar via normal sources in order to get a price indication. Thoughts please?
 
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Nice, but hard to say if original. Could be. I had an old Doxa with a similar colored dial.

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I found this unusual 1940's timepiece on a foreign auction site. The dial and patina caught my eye as I'm attracted to the unusual rather than the run of the mill.

I'm not familiar with copper dials so I'm interested to see your thoughts on the patina and whether it appears legit? I think the dark leather strap really does it justice but that may be more personal preference.

It's advertised as follows:
Men's wristwatch, Omega, from 1941 (actually 1943), manual winding, stainless steel case,
Caliber 30T2,
Serial no. 9686841,
Patinated copper dial,
Arabic hours, black hands.

I'm tempted to lodge a cheeky bid but I'm struggling to find anything similar via normal sources in order to get a price indication. Thoughts please?
I know the usual advice is check the bay for similar previously sold items, or current similar items on sale elsewhere.
I can only find one very similar watch on chrono24, but it's silly money. So the question is, is the advertised watch ridiculously overpriced (not uncommon in chrono24) at over £1k, or is this one ridiculously cheap starting at €180? (accepted it's an auction so could go for substantially more). I'd like to think somewhere in the middle is realistic, and conveniently in budget 👍
 
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Are there better photos somewhere? I would not come to any conclusions based on the two photos you posted.
 
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Are there better photos somewhere? I would not come to any conclusions based on the two photos you posted.
Unfortunately not 🙁. Another downside of auction Vs private or dealer sale.
 
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From the suboptimal view the dial looks original,
 
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Looks like a mostly original ref MI 2214 other than the crown, and the case seems untouched. A fair price would be ~ $1K US, imho, assuming the hands are steel and not blued.

If the hands really are blue, then it's a different ball game.

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hands are steel and not blued

most "blued" hands are made of steel, aren´t they? Or did you mean painted blue when you said "blued hands"?

To me the hands look correct, they are steel - see centre parts and the "blades" look blued (through heat), so no concerns at my end...
 
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Heat treated blue was what I meant, Erich. The hands have a blueish tint in the photo, but I agree they're likely polished steel, with the blueish tint due to reflection.

Best,

Art
 
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I suspect the hands are heat blued steel.
The centre boss is white (silver colour) and there is possibly rust on the edge of the hands.
On the minute hand, upper side near the 10 mark.
Hour hand, upper side just a bit out from the centre.

Only my guess based on the pics though.
I wouldn't be averse to bidding on it and taking a chance.
 
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I suspect the hands are heat blued steel.
The centre boss is white (silver colour) and there is possibly rust on the edge of the hands.
On the minute hand, upper side near the 10 mark.
Hour hand, upper side just a bit out from the centre.

Only my guess based on the pics though.
I wouldn't be averse to bidding on it and taking a chance.

If the hour and minute hands are blued steel, then my sense would be they're more likely replacements than original.

Here's another ref MI 2214 posted on this forum three years ago . . .


[watch and photo credit: Migdc21, Nov '18]

. . . with hands I'd expect on the original poster's example.

Best,

Art
 
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I am honestly surprised the seller has the ability to display the watch like that, yet has no ability to take decent photos. That is always concerning to me, although many others here are far braver and have often been rewarded.

The case looks pretty sharp. The dial and movement are a bit of a gamble. There appear to be areas of patina on the dial, but it's not possible to assess how good/ bad they may be from the provided photos. And if it from moisture, it's a guess if the movement been repaired.
 
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I'm now persuaded the hands are actually blue thanks to the additional dial pics. I wouldn't expect the original hands to be blued except perhaps for the seconds hand; I would pass on this particular example.

Art
 
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I am honestly surprised the seller has the ability to display the watch like that, yet has no ability to take decent photos. That is always concerning to me, although many others here are far braver and have often been rewarded.

The case looks pretty sharp. The dial and movement are a bit of a gamble. There appear to be areas of patina on the dial, but it's not possible to assess how good/ bad they may be from the provided photos. And if it from moisture, it's a guess if the movement been repaired.
The pictures are from an auction house, so I suspect lack of expertise and will with regards to additional pics.
 
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The pictures are from an auction house, so I suspect lack of expertise and will with regards to additional pics.
That makes it even more suspect. Auction houses -- who are tasked with achieving the highest sales prices -- do not know how to take photos? Makes me think they knew exactly how to take photos of this watch. 😗
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That makes it even more suspect. Auction houses -- who are tasked with achieving the highest sales prices -- do not know how to take photos? Makes my think they knew exactly how to take photos of this watch. 😗
Good point, well made 👍
 
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If the hour and minute hands are blued steel, then my sense would be they're more likely replacements than original.

Here's another ref MI 2214 posted on this forum three years ago . . .


[watch and photo credit: Migdc21, Nov '18]

. . . with hands I'd expect on the original poster's example.

Best,

Art

Art, sorry to contradict. You overlooked an important detail on the dial you showed: there are silvery metal dots at the uneven hours and there is a metallic "pearl minute track". So bright hands (white gold plated? rhodium plated?) make sense.

Why are you adverse to the thought (heat) blued hands are correct on a copper dial? I have seen them on an Omega at a major auction house (don´t recon which, I have only saved the photo as I liked the dial):




And here is one from my collection. I have found only a photo of the dial on my HD, the watch is in my bank vault atm.:



Both watches with cal. 30 T2

Here very aged blued hands on a cal. 23.4 Scarab... The minute hand has lost most of its blue colour but you can still see it on the hour hand:

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