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Calibre 246 doing my head in - Deco Square

  1. Carlton-Browne Oct 28, 2023

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    I bought this last year to add to a long list of projects and have finally gotten around to making it something of a priority.

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    It's a pleasant thing, I hope you'll agree, a little on the small side but it has that rather interesting dial pattern which we've seen on a few UGs and Zeniths from the 30s /40s (Yes, I'm looking at you, the owner of that salmon-dialled calibre 249).

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    As you can see, there is no case reference marked anywhere but I believe we can infer it's a 7362 given we have the case marking on what looks to be the same reference, albeit with a cal 260:

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/universal-genève-four-digit-references.152589/page-7#post-2245110

    I, it appears somewhat absent-mindedly, bought a spare movement that was advertised as a cal 246 but turned out to be a 245, also last year. You will see that my watch is missing the balance wheel and, in any case, I generally prefer to have some spares before I start troubling a watchmaker. The 246 is 19.3mm (8.6 ligne?) and the 245 is 17mm (7.5 ligne?) so that's not going to fly. One interesting point is that my watch appears to be a centre seconds (the more attentive of you will of course note it's a no-seconds), as indeed the 245 appears to be.
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    Spare 246s seem to be fairly sparse but there is this on Ebay (and which seems to be the right size):
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    The balance wheel on this one looks shagged so I'm not planning to entertain it but is it a common thing to use a sub-second movement and effectively blank over the second hand pinion? Or is it possible that the 246 is available in both centre and sub-second formats?

    I thought I'd check to see what the Bestfit catalogue offered as an alternative just in case there was a common A Schild/Movado/other equivalent and its giving me a Sonceboz 262 (which at least appears to have an approximately correct ligne size - 8.75) and which also appears to be known as an Aurore Villeret 262. I have no reason to believe there is any commonality with a UG cal 262.

    Can anybody else shed some light on the sub-second thing? Of course, if someone is sitting on a loose 246 movement or knows were I can find one, I really am all ears.

    Finally, do we have a name for this style of dial as a few examples seem to have cropped up in the last couple of years.
     
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  2. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Oct 28, 2023

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    Nice one. Funny you mention the lack of a name for this (IMHO) typical UG design, same thing crossed my mind a couple of days ago. I even thought about opening a thread on them. What about Deco Square?
     
  3. LesXL Nov 2, 2023

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    Nice watch!
    Funny enough, I just stumbled upon this one with the same dial a couple of days ago... Similar case and reference number as this one posted by our local UG sales alert manager (@Mark020 )

    I shall receive it beginning of next week ... Needs a lot of love, but it is quite an interesting little thing Screenshot_2023-11-02-21-49-14-47_be80aec1db9a2b53c9d399db0c602181.jpg received_866058971844048.jpeg received_1069439094224872.jpeg received_851009383183066.jpeg received_1642587673225784.jpeg
     
  4. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Nov 2, 2023

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    Nice one!
     
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  5. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Nov 3, 2023

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    What do you make of the reference? 6424? And what is the size? Still trying to make sense of the idea behind the 4 digit numbering
     
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  6. Carlton-Browne Nov 3, 2023

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    Lovely.
     
  7. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Nov 7, 2023

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  8. LesXL Nov 7, 2023

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    I just got the watch... First pictures. It will need some love but could be a nice little project.

    Aside the service, the upper lug needs to be fixed, and new spring bars welded.

    Maybe for next year :)

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  9. LesXL Nov 7, 2023

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    I believe it's rather a ref 6484 (similar to the one you mentioned here).

    It also has the serial and the reference number separated on the outside caseback.

    - Size is 22mm and 33mm lug to lug.
    - The batch number is 28 with a 2 standing for I don't know what...
    - The back of the dial also has a reference number 68 4153... Not sure why the spacing between the 2, maybe batch 68 and 4153 is a serial number.
    - note there is also a number "28" on the inner back of the top lug... Which matches the batch number on the caseback. Not sure why go to that extend?
    - other than the caliber reference "246", I don't see any other number on the movement PXL_20231107_140555069.MP.jpg PXL_20231107_150930953.MP.jpg PXL_20231107_140305783.MP.jpg
     
  10. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Nov 7, 2023

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    The 68 number is from the dial maker I think

    Very nice catch btw
     
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  11. Carlton-Browne Nov 7, 2023

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    BTW - I've taken the liberty of changing the name of the thread to include "Deco Square" :whistling:.
     
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  12. LesXL Nov 7, 2023

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    Have you seen any reference number on the back of your dial too?
     
  13. Carlton-Browne Nov 7, 2023

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    I haven't had the dial off yet - I can contemplate sending it off once I have a donor movement. That's work in progress.
     
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  15. LesXL Nov 9, 2023

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  16. Carlton-Browne Nov 9, 2023

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    Can you show the entire page(s) - I'm keen to know that the advert is for both men's and lady's watches. The, or rather my, received wisdom is that these are men's watches and I just want to be sure.

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  18. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Nov 12, 2023

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    Very interesting. However: I'm pretty convinced you will not find a UG marked with 3039 (nor 3040 for that matter)