Build Your Own Speedmaster - BYOS

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Hello Dirk,
My story, conclusions and decisions with regards to watch collecting share some similarities with yours. Here is a couple of my mods. I enjoy them as much as I did with the original models. Of course all parts are genuine.

 
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I've had a WatchCo SM300 and a Mistukoshi modded Moonwatch but sold them both as I preferred to wear my other, unmodified Speedies...

That said, a FOIS to Ed White conversion is really tempting. I have the FOIS and am waiting for Uncle Seiko's new flat link bracelet. How much should I budget to change the hands and to fit a hesalite crystal? And who in UK/EU can perform this work?
 
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Hello Dirk,
My story, conclusions and decisions with regards to watch collecting share some similarities with yours. Here is a couple of my mods. I enjoy them as much as I did with the original models. Of course all parts are genuine.

Hi Leon
fine watches. The one with the Alpha hands will be my next project. Reluming also by James Hyman?
 
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I've had a WatchCo SM300 and a Mistukoshi modded Moonwatch but sold them both as I preferred to wear my other, unmodified Speedies...

That said, a FOIS to Ed White conversion is really tempting. I have the FOIS and am waiting for Uncle Seiko's new flat link bracelet. How much should I budget to change the hands and to fit a hesalite crystal? And who in UK/EU can perform this work?
Hi fergusm,
your budget must not be very high. I think for the dial, set of hands, hesalite crystal, crown and caseback approx. 650,-- €. And the reluming - depends on who will do this work and what the asking price is. And, of course, you have to find a watchmaker who is able to do the work. But, honestly, these kind of modification can't t be a challenge for every experienced watchmaker.

Still waiting too for my Uncle Seiko flat link bracelets..
 
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Hey Dirk,

I like the watches that you created with spare parts a lot! They are looking cool, oriented on the originals,
but not too close. Great idea and chapeau for your way of arranging the new looks. That is a great way to
get an old fashioned daily wearer without destroying an Original - I got your point and support that - I see
that you are a true Speedy-Lover! First class!

Ich bin begeistert! Beste Grüße aus Österreich,
Hans
Hi Hans,
thanks for your statement.
 
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I am looking to build a Japanese Racing dialled Speedy for everyday wear - don’t have to worry about the odd knock or pull my wrist in every time that go near a door which I do when wearing the .002... The dials a s handsets appear to be service parts and are otherwise available - just thinking about what would make a good ‘donor’ watch...?
I am looking to build a Japanese Racing dialled Speedy for everyday wear - don’t have to worry about the odd knock or pull my wrist in every time that go near a door which I do when wearing the .002... The dials a s handsets appear to be service parts and are otherwise available - just thinking about what would make a good ‘donor’ watch...?
My suggestion will be to use a Speedy watch from around 2000/ 2005 - this should work. The Japan Racing Speedmaster came on the market 2004 - so I would choose a donor from this period....if possible a full set.
 
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c) being transparent about the modified status. This last one seems critical - nothing wrong with creating a japan racing, mitsukoshi etc until you try to sell it off as one!

I always recommend that anyone who is looking to buy a genuine version of one of the models that is commonly modded, to get the serial number from the seller, call Omega, and ask them to tell you what reference number goes with that serial number. If you are buying a Japan racing and the serial comes back as a 35705000 and not a 35704000, you know it's a mod. In the case of the Mitsukoshi, I am quite sure there are more modded versions out there than there ever were real ones, so be smart when you purchase.

Also note that Omega only allows modifications in a certain way - the watch must be converted completely from one model to another, so if you do any mixing and matching or parts from more than one model, there is a chance they will try to get you to convert it back at service. So I would not recommend sending these modded watches to Omega for service.

Cheers, Al
 
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I always recommend that anyone who is looking to buy a genuine version of one of the models that is commonly modded, to get the serial number from the seller, call Omega, and ask them to tell you what reference number goes with that serial number. If you are buying a Japan racing and the serial comes back as a 35705000 and not a 35704000, you know it's a mod. In the case of the Mitsukoshi, I am quite sure there are more modded versions out there than there ever were real ones, so be smart when you purchase.

Also note that Omega only allows modifications in a certain way - the watch must be converted completely from one model to another, so if you do any mixing and matching or parts from more than one model, there is a chance they will try to get you to convert it back at service. So I would not recommend sending these modded watches to Omega for service.

Cheers, Al

Hi Al,
many thanks for your honest and very helpful explanation. 👍
First of all - it is a matter of course not to sell modified Speedmaster watches as authentic or else. I think, there is no problem to sell those watches, but it is a must to make it absolutely clear that you sell a modified Speedy.
Personally I never ever had problems with my Speedys. The AD and their watchmaker did all until today what I pleased them to do on my watches. Also ordering spare parts are no problem. Sometimes Omega ask for watch/movement # if it as numbered model. Then you can't order/ get the item if you don't hold the watch...but sometimes it is not necessary - don't ask me why. And yes, never ever send a modified Speedmaster to the official Omega Service Center in your country - that could be very tricky...😵‍💫
Kind regards
Dirk
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Well there's one way to go about it which is to buy all the parts separately and build it from scratch. The other way to go, which I inadvertently found myself in, is to take a Speedmaster that has already been franken'd and "rescue" it to a mod.

I bought what I thought was a nice 145.022-71, step dial and all, and when I got it I found that the caseback was 145.022-74, and the movement was 28.0M which I believe may be from a Seamaster. So, I sold off the valuable vintage parts so they could hopefully be put to better use, bought some mod parts, and sent it off.

Should be back sometime this summer; it's gonna be really interesting!
 
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First of all - it is a matter of course not to sell modified Speedmaster watches as authentic or else. I think, there is no problem to sell those watches, but it is a must to make it absolutely clear that yo sell a modified Speedy.

Unfortunately not everyone sees it that way, hence my advice.
 
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I've had a WatchCo SM300 and a Mistukoshi modded Moonwatch but sold them both as I preferred to wear my other, unmodified Speedies...

That said, a FOIS to Ed White conversion is really tempting. I have the FOIS and am waiting for Uncle Seiko's new flat link bracelet. How much should I budget to change the hands and to fit a hesalite crystal? And who in UK/EU can perform this work?

Forgot to tell you: I am a lucky guy with s AD Omega watchmaker level 3 nearby my home town, 20 min away from my home. I think, that is the main challenge. To find an experienced and well equipped Omega watchmaker who is able and who WANTS to support you - for a reasonable price.
 
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First of all - it is a matter of course not to sell modified Speedmaster watches as authentic or else. I think, there is no problem to sell those watches, but it is a must to make it absolutely clear that you sell a modified Speedy.
Unfortunately not everyone sees it that way, hence my advice.
Or when the watch passes from the 2nd owner to the 3rd. The original modder may have good intentions but that doesn't stop downstream victims.
 
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Or when the watch passes from the 2nd owner to the 3rd. The original modder may have good intentions but that doesn't stop downstream victims.

Could be the case. But if you are honest: are Speedmaster collectors that naive not yo check what they have in their hands or in front of them. I know that buying in the www could be very tricky. So, if I am allowed to say this, I expect that a Speedmaster collector is hopefully very careful when buying a Speedmaster watch. But, yes, you are correct, not all collectors are specialists and not all collectors are that honest they should be.
 
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Or when the watch passes from the 2nd owner to the 3rd. The original modder may have good intentions but that doesn't stop downstream victims.

This is why I have chosen not to add to the muddying of the waters, so I don't do these mods.
 
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Or when the watch passes from the 2nd owner to the 3rd. The original modder may have good intentions but that doesn't stop downstream victims.
Personally if modding my preference is to make something that never left the factory so even a little experience is going to show it for what it is.
 
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I've been keeping my eye on the Speedmaster TinTin watches and I noticed on eBay there are a couple of watches at about half the asking price of the others (around $4900 instead of $10,000).

I now see the word "Build" in the title of the ad, so I'm thinking it is a modified non-TinTin watch with a TinTin dial added to it, true?

Here is a link to one of them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Spee...978239?hash=item5b69dae97f:g:4kEAAOSwCH9eDE4j

 
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I've been keeping my eye on the Speedmaster TinTin watches and I noticed on eBay there are a couple of watches at about half the asking price of the others (around $4900 instead of $10,000).

I now see the word "Build" in the title of the ad, so I'm thinking it is a modified non-TinTin watch with a TinTin dial added to it, true?

Here is a link to one of them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Spee...978239?hash=item5b69dae97f:g:4kEAAOSwCH9eDE4j

Seller is being pretty clear this is a Mod but again highlights why serial number check is important of you think you are buying something specific. This seems like an OK deal to me. Would be better if it came with the original dial and hands.
 
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Seller is being pretty clear this is a Mod but again highlights why serial number check is important of you think you are buying something specific. This seems like an OK deal to me. Would be better if it came with the original dial and hands.

Absolutely clear - and yes, with the original dial and the other original parts it would be a better deal. But it seems ok for me....
 
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I have a couple modded Speedmasters as well as some originals.
The Mitsukoshi mod:


The Rhodium:


My Tintin, as it should have been from the factory if you ask me.

None built to deceive, only to enjoy
 
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Here's one end of the spectrum: my minimal mod of the Broad Arrow. It originally had a polished steel bezel, I put on an (original Omega) brushed one meant for a later watch.

I think it improves the look a lot (the original is too shiny for me). And easily reversible if I ever decide to sell it!
(I've also tried a couple different black bezels on it... )