Beware this eBay buyer . . .

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Aren't listing fees trivial? Like less than $1? The first time this happened to me, I contacted eBay support, and they told me to just re-list.
I’m not referring to a listing fee. I’m referring to a final value fee. 10% of the sale price.
 
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What is stopping you from re-listing? I have never had to wait a week for a non-paying buyer. Cancel the sale and re-list immediately. I know I've done this in the past, has something changed?
If I cancel the sale without following eBay’s protocol, I get charged the final value fee on the sale and then get charged for it again when I sell to a new buyer. The original buyer has 48 hours from the conclusion of the sale to pay. If they don’t pay, I have to open an unpaid item dispute, which I’ve done. The buyer then has four more days to pay. If they don’t, THEN I can cancel the sale and get the final value fee credited back.
 
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I’m not referring to a listing fee. I’m referring to a final value fee. 10% of the sale price.

If you didn't get paid, how can they charge a final value fee? This has never happened to me. Is this just hypothetical on your part, or have you actually experienced it?
 
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If you didn't get paid, how can they charge a final value fee? This has never happened to me. Is this just hypothetical on your part, or have you actually experienced it?
You absolutely are charged final value fees (10% for watches I believe, as mentioned) when you item "sells", regardless of if you are paid.... I know. 🤦
 
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You absolutely are charged final value fees (10% for watches I believe, as mentioned) when you item "sells", regardless of if you are paid.... I know. 🤦
Correct.
 
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OK, then I guess eBay rules have changed since this last happened to me. Good to know.
 
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If you didn't get paid, how can they charge a final value fee? This has never happened to me. Is this just hypothetical on your part, or have you actually experienced it?
Ultimately if you are not paid, you are supposed to open a claim and will eventually get your fees back if the claim is successful. But if you cancel it, eBay considers it your bad, and is not refunded. They assume in this case that it was a willing buyer and you cancelled because you thought you could get more, or whatever.

It's a one-way street when it comes to buyer and seller rights... but ultimately, when I follow the process (opening a dispute, waiting sometimes weeks for resolution, relisting and starting the headache all over), I have always gotten my fees back and have had no issues aside from frustration and lots of wasted time.
 
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It may be different for other countries, but in the UK if your items sells and you do not get paid, the seller can open a case against the buyer to say that payment has not been received... then after a few days if payment is still not made, the fees are credited back to your account.
 
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All of the above is why I am hesitant to go back to selling on eBay- I used to sell a bit and enjoyed it for the most part (and I too stopped int'l sales and it totally improved my experience- sorry to my friends outside the US). But hearing of how it has changed just in the last few years makes me say no thanks.
Still hoping for a hobby swap sub-FS section- although I know it's a no-go...a boy can dream.
 
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Ultimately if you are not paid, you are supposed to open a claim and will eventually get your fees back if the claim is successful. But if you cancel it, eBay considers it your bad, and is not refunded. They assume in this case that it was a willing buyer and you cancelled because you thought you could get more, or whatever.

It's a one-way street when it comes to buyer and seller rights... but ultimately, when I follow the process (opening a dispute, waiting sometimes weeks for resolution, relisting and starting the headache all over), I have always gotten my fees back and have had no issues aside from frustration and lots of wasted time.

OK, I'm still wondering how this works in practice, since some sellers seem to be very good a manipulating the process. On several occasions, I have won an auction and paid, and then the seller has canceled the sale and returned my money, usually with some BS excuse like the watch is broken or no longer available, or something like that. Then they re-list it and try to get a better result. Are they actually paying 10% fees each time they do this? I've seen sellers go through multiple cycles on watches that sell in the $5k-$10k range, so those fees aren't small potatoes.
 
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Still hoping for a hobby swap sub-FS section
I would love this

Maybe it was wrong(?) but whenever an eBay user failed to pay, I would: open a non payment dispute and relist the item. I wasn’t going to wait the one week timeframe for the dispute to end and the additional week for the new auction to run its course. I always got my fees back when the claim settled. Never has a buyer paid me when a claim was opened. They always become ghosts and I won’t let them further waist my time by turning a one week auction into at three week event. I have since stopped using eBay as it’s gone to shit.
 
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I would love this

Maybe it was wrong(?) but whenever an eBay user failed to pay, I would: open a non payment dispute and relist the item. I wasn’t going to wait the one week timeframe for the dispute to end and the additional week for the new auction to run its course. I always got my fees back when the claim settled. Never has a buyer paid me when a claim was opened. They always become ghosts and I won’t let them further waist my time by turning a one week auction into at three week event. I have since stopped using eBay as it’s gone to shit.
Yep, pretty much all true.
 
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I would love this

Maybe it was wrong(?) but whenever an eBay user failed to pay, I would: open a non payment dispute and relist the item. I wasn’t going to wait the one week timeframe for the dispute to end and the additional week for the new auction to run its course. I always got my fees back when the claim settled. Never has a buyer paid me when a claim was opened. They always become ghosts and I won’t let them further waist my time by turning a one week auction into at three week event. I have since stopped using eBay as it’s gone to shit.

This is exactly my experience, and I've never had any problems, and as I mentioned, eBay support actually advised me to do this. But now I'm realizing that perhaps I put myself at some risk.
 
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I would love this
I made a thread and floated the idea about a year or so ago- it got some great feedback/discussion and lots of interest (becuase we all have multiple hobbies and they often overlap) but the mods made a very compelling argument about why it wouldn't be appropriate here- and it's their house, so their rules and I totally respect that.
 
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I made a thread and floated the idea about a year or so ago
I am pretty confident I read this thread a while back too. I totally get their reasoning too and wouldn’t push them on it. I would love a hobby swap still haha. The hobbies in this forum are so varying that I’m sure we would all find something on that board that we hadn’t considered prior. Plus, with all of the barn finds that fill this forum, I’m sure that extends well past watches. I can just imagine all of the immensely cool treasures held by forum members that would love to change hands as but won’t as so many people don’t like eBay. But again, as you said, the mods made compelling statements and it is their house. They were gracious to let me come play and so I appreciate their decisions.
 
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The other thing that is never mentioned with Ebay in the US is that when you guys opt for Global Shipping, anyone in the UK (not sure about the EU ) cannot bid on your item.
I have been with Ebay since it started and it is never been this bad, last week I sold 2 watches, one was returned because the guy simply changed his mind, the other was not completed as the buyer did some research after winning and wanted one with a smaller dial.
With resisting I agree with an earlier comment, when an item is relisted it very rarely hits the same figure, I guess if the buyer's are after a particular watch it may take some time for them to decide on the watch and when they see one relished it will put doubt in their mind.
 
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The other thing that is never mentioned with Ebay in the US is that when you guys opt for Global Shipping, anyone in the UK (not sure about the EU ) cannot bid on your item.
I have been with Ebay since it started and it is never been this bad, last week I sold 2 watches, one was returned because the guy simply changed his mind, the other was not completed as the buyer did some research after winning and wanted one with a smaller dial.
With resisting I agree with an earlier comment, when an item is relisted it very rarely hits the same figure, I guess if the buyer's are after a particular watch it may take some time for them to decide on the watch and when they see one relished it will put doubt in their mind.
....and you can't leave negative feedback for either of them. This is my fundamental problem. They coddle they buyers yet the sellers bear the brunt of the costs. I assume you lost the fees/ % on the one that was returned becuase the buyer decided to treat you like a jewelry store where he could just try stuff on?

I had mentioned in another thread, when I used to sell vinyl records on eBay (about 10 years ago) I had a buyer ask to return because he didn't like the music- nothing wrong with the record itself. I politely told him that it wasn't a valid reason to return it as nothing was actually wrong with it. I assume today I would have to take it back regardless of "no returns".
 
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Funny that this tread has just popped up as just dealing with a non-payer for a watch I posted for sale. Weirdly, winning bidder had a busy dialogue with me requesting extra photos and seemed genuinely interested and won the auction by £20 . They had tried to get me to sell early but due to lower fees promotion I didn't want to risk losing that. Find it strange but I guess that sums up life out there !!
 
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I’m not referring to a listing fee. I’m referring to a final value fee. 10% of the sale price.
Wait til the do £1 maximum selling fees, it’s what I do. They do it frequently
 
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only thing u can do is block bidder and notify ebay.

if the bidder has a boner for you they can also leave unjustifiable negative feedback if they won.

sellers endure a lot of risks. from reputation to getting ripped off. not to mention the high fees
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