Being careful - guarding your watches in the big bad world.

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Hi all,

So here in the UK thankfully guns are somewhat rarer to be accosted with although we do have a real problem with Knife crime and young men on stolen mopeds with Knifes,Machetes or hammers. These lovely people target people walking on pavements or sitting at tables outside of restaurants and cafes in broad daylight and especially in the good wealthy areas of London. They even go as far as driving up to the drivers window of nice cars and either threatening or smashing the drivers window for watches and or cash and have been known to follow people to their homes and then attack then as they go to their front door. So whilst trying to avoid bad areas late at night is sound advice it doesn't really cover every eventuality as mentioned above and staying safe has become harder to maintain all of the time for most.

Until my health deteriorated and I was no longer fit enough I have always been a guardian to a dog my breed of choice was the Dobermann and the guy in my avatar was my last. He was a white Dobermann that came to me via Dobermann Rescue and ended up being one of my best dogs. I should point out whilst I was physically able my other main hobby was dog training not for Sport but real protection work as even if you have a large powerful dog you still need to train it how to be safe whilst protecting you as you really don't want your dog badly injured or killed. He used to be with me 24/7 so not only kept me safe when out but also in my home and did so on more than one occasion.

I am currently fighting to lower my pain levels and improve my fitness as I really miss not having a dog in my life any longer but will have to look at something other than a Dobermann as they require too much exercise for my current fitness level and what I may be able to achieve. If I manage to achieve better pain control and fitness I'm planning on getting a Cane Corso about the same size but more stocky and carrying more weight whilst still being agile and extremely powerful. At least here in the UK a well trained large dog for protection is about as good as it gets IMO most bad guys avoid you and a large dog and those that don't either threw drugs or drink or utter stupidity usually end up paying the price for their actions.

Marc

I think the comic Michael McIntyre had a Rolex stolen / window smashed on his car in London on the school run.
@Dogman Hopefully there is someone near you who might need a home dog sitter sometimes? Might be worth checking online as they could drop him round for a couple of hours and no walking required. It is a bit bizarre being I am in the UK but sometimes I run into an Australian Cattle dog. I saw him today and gave him a cuddle. He was very happy as the sun is shining. He looks fat but my god he can move and is SOooo powerful. I would not want to upset him or his owner :0).. I had never heard of a Cane Corso till now but they also look a nice dog.
 
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@Omegafanman

Your right Micheal McIntyre was indeed robbed whilst on a school run and actually quite near me in NW London as he was in Hampstead and it actually made the news, but I also know of others in St Johns Wood that have been attacked and robbed returning to their homes from shopping trips. Such is the world we now live in. Thanks for the suggestion of dog sitting but that would be too much like torture for me only having a dog for a few hours plus I'm only really interested attracted to larger working dogs and really need one to be mine that I can work with and not have to give back.

@ericmtl

Hadn't known about the Tiger story but knew they had been used in Wild Boar hunting in their native Italy as well as the usual herding and protection of both animals and man. Many thanks for that great link to that Breeder and all the history and facts on their site it really is very informative.
I have decided a Cane Corso will hopefully be the next dog I'm guardian to and just starting to research the kennels and breeders in the UK. As whilst their are many for sale I will only buy from a breeder that conducts all necessary health testing of both parents and breeds to the breed standard and for working ability and best temperament not just for looks. As unfortunately a lot breeders are just in it for the money and don't place much value on health testing or breeding true to type and just go for the bigger is better attitude which is not for me. Here in the UK the Cane Corso is not recognised by the Kennel Club and can not be docked or cropped either whilst that is not an issue to me health, temperament and working ability are of the utmost importance and above looks for me. Having said that if I really can't find a good breeder that I like I'm not ruling out importing one even if that means liquidating a watch or two to achieve it as these dogs are quite expensive even before transporting a dog from another country.

Marc
 
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Hi Guys
I just saw this thread and as one that can speak from bitter experience ,I had over 100 watches stolen last September and in hindsight I was overly relaxed about security ,yes they were in an insurance approved safe in a locked office with police monitored alarm and at the time i thought I had done enough ,I also believed that as they were ,aside from 8 speedmasters and a couple of subs, relatively obscure vintage pieces they were of no interest to criminals .Sadly I was proved wrong and relying on an overworked police force is no security either .
Fortunately I had split my pieces and so survived with a painful lesson learnt I now keep the majority off site in safety deposit facility but then the guys at Hatton Garden probably thought they had done the right thing .
My advice is spread the risk as much as possible with different locations and then if you do suffer then at least its not total wipe-out
I can also sadly add that the insurance companies will look for every tiny opportunity to wriggle out and have tried their best in the last 8 months to make me out as responsible and the police told me unless "they stumble across them in the bottom of someones wardrobe they wont ever catch anyone"
Its a harsh world out their and more and more now criminals know they are highly unlikely to get caught so this type of thing will only increase in my opinion
Take care
Tony
 
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I imaging the manufacturers keep a log but showing my ignorance do the independent watchmakers (for example in the UK) share a list of suspect serial numbers? I don't imagine for one minute Mr and Mrs Villain will be putting anything in for service but people might ask for valuations and for sure whichever poor law abiding mark they sell it to might send it for a service at some point.
 
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I imaging the manufacturers keep a log but showing my ignorance do the independent watchmakers (for example in the UK) share a list of suspect serial numbers? I don't imagine for one minute Mr and Mrs Villain will be putting anything in for service but people might ask for valuations and for sure whichever poor law abiding mark they sell it to might send it for a service at some point.



Why would a independent watchmakers bother. Watches change hands so often here alone, they would need a secretary to keep up.
Have a few watches that several members have owned over the years.

Local villain is not going to service a watch before he sells it. The poor punter that buys it unknowingly will be the one that does that.
 
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@STANDY I hear you - it just sucks that the sketchy people are getting away with it and people don't get their stuff back. If there was a central database at least people could cross check. For Rolex and Omega and the really high end stuff you would think they could come up with something.

I should have clarified I only meant a 'watch' list of stolen items as confirmed by police / insurance authorities - not every watch worked on.
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Hi all

I know Rolex do indeed have a stolen register and if a stolen watch comes to them for service it is held and not returned to whom ever brought the watch in for service also if you try to send a Rolex in for service with the serial number removed you can say goodbye to ever seeing it again. I'm not exactly sure what the procedure is but at that point the watch is usually the property of an insurance company if the watch had been insured and the original owner paid out. If not it may well be returned to the original owner after Rolex and the Police have finished heir due diligence.

Obviously this sucks for the recent owner or previous owners as buying or handling stolen property is actually a greater offence then stealing it that always seems weird to me but is the way it is so proving you bought it in good faith at fair market value becomes very important so as to prove innocence of any malfeasance.

I'm sure some of the higher brands also maintain a register of stolen watches to but do remember a story of a LTD edition watch I think it was an F.P. Journe that was at a large auction house being up for auction and the auction house just returned the watch to the seller which was plainly wrong and I can't remember how that ended.

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^With all due respect, that kind of overconfidence could get you killed. Better to insure the watch and hopefully never find yourself in a situation where you feel that you need to risk your life for it.
I fully understand the attitude of "ready to keep mine" but also far prefer to avoid killing someone because they wanted my material possession.
 
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Be warned... a problem in some large cities... Amsterdam, London, Paris, etc...
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Be warned... a problem in some large cities... Amsterdam, London, Paris, etc...
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More of the wearer my way 😉

 
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More of the wearer my way 😉

Better watch out for Tick-Toc the clockodile then .....Your watch might end up costing you an arm and a leg (or two :0).. best not be too alarmed....although I think he is....

 
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if you try to send a Rolex in for service with the serial number removed you can say goodbye to ever seeing it again
In this country, I believe Rolex would be liable to you for the value of the watch for "conversion" of your property. It isn't a vehicle or a firearm that's required by law to have an intact VIN or serial # and they have no legal basis for confiscating your property. If you want to scratch the serial # off your own watch, that's your business.
 
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Everybody knows the story of the diver wearing a Rolex Submariner who got bitten by a 1.5 meter Muraena eel, exactly at his wrist and he was saved from injury thanks to his wristwatch... Hence the sentence " Relax it's a Rolex "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muraena