Be - Ba Precision - Observatory Chronometer

I'm not quite sure what all the arguing is about, as I haven't been through this whole thread. But someone @'d me and asked the question...

Tony's summary looks like a fair reflection of typically decent copyright practice and fair use. Also, it's bad form not to accredit copied material, as people also have moral rights to be identified as the owner or creator of (c) work.

Wholesale appropriation of images of any (c) work is the sort of thing that copyright owners are entitled to license and be paid for, or else demand a take down. That is not fair use. Tony is right on that. Fair use is a limited use of a small extract or quote, not copying a ton of stuff.

And before everyone @'s me with barroom arguments - just because you've seen it done differently, or done it yourself a million times, doesn't mean it's right, correct or lawful. The internet is full of people who take the p with other people's images or literary work, through lack of knowledge or simply not thinking about it (or caring), but any decent publication or publisher will play by the rules. The guys who own OF usually want to do things the right and decent way, so I'm sure they appreciate members being decent about this stuff too.

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It's a shame that nobody makes these competition-style manual chronometers in ebauche form. I'd love to case a watch of my own with something so simple and well-finished. It'd also be a nice way to keep myself away from hopelessly chasing 30t2rgs...

@SpikiSpikester is an attorney with experience litigating copyright issues, so his views are solidly based on legal concepts, and what is broadly considered to be fair use.


Surely you can understand that wholesale reproduction of copyrighted material is wrong, both technically, and in terms of etiquette. It is clearly against the rules (reproduced five posts above), whether they are tightly enforced or not, and is very well-understood by everyone in the corporate world. That's why, for example, you will find countless examples of partial quotes from newspapers and other articles with links to the full pieces, but rarely full reproductions (without permission).

It is, of course, true that individuals such as SteveG are, broadly speaking, very unlikely to enforce their copyrights, as, among other possible reasons, it would take a great deal of time, energy, and in some cases money (for attorneys), in order to do so. And that is part of the reason why I stress etiquette. It's as if SteveG is kindly asking visitors to his site to please respect the copyrights, in contrast to corporations, which carry an implied threat of legal action if their copyrights are violated.

So those "esteemed" members who claimed that you did nothing wrong are essentially responding to individual copyright owners like SteveG by saying "Sorry, copyright violations are common on the OF, so we don't see any point in respecting your request." Either that, or they are failing to make the "wholesale" distinction.

Here's an Observatory competition Peseux 260 entered by Ulysse Nardin:

https://www.uhren-muser.de/en/50569/ulysse-nardin-locle-swiss

Tony: full disclosure - I rarely disagree with your posts, this one included. But, I will say this, not being critical, but just observational: I felt your tone was a bit harsh, and it came off as personal rather than informational.

Thanks M'Bob. I appreciate your point, and try to always remain open to constructive criticism.

...I'd still rather discuss watches in the forum though 😎 As Zapatta's corrected post is totally fine, no harm was done & we can get back to what we all came here for 😒

Steve needs to get a better case opener.

Same seller as above




https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Rare-PE...467207?hash=item2f445de587:g:PdUAAOSwn7Ze1r-2