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One of my favorite rides, a 2004 ZHP. Had this up to almost 150 on a stretch of lonely road in northern cali
So if your speedy noted 150 actual was more like 135-140. German Speedos over report speed, yet the odometer is right. To verify set cruise control at 60, reset your trip odo and start a 3 5 minute timer then compare 😉

As a side note that is also why alot of e46m3 owner think they do not have a limiter, as the speedo can read 175 but they are under the limiter of 155.
 
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And to think some goobers are paying 20k for E36 M3 sedans these days!
Euro spec with vaders? All day in great condition!

Drives up my e46M3 😉
 
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Interesting, I know that US speedos are generally a mile or two over actual, but 10-15mph seems odd. Where did you come across this tidbit of info? I do not have the car anymore, but the odometer verification method is something I will have to try. One note, the ZHP had a completely unique dashboard module, with higher MPH and redline than the standard 330i. One of the big car magazines did record an over 150 mph using a fifth wheel apparatus, but it was a 6 speed. Mine was automatic and ran out of gas with the speedo fluttering between 146-7. It wasn't redlined though. I thought about not using overdrive and trying it again, but started to run into oncoming. I never got to take another crack at it, as it was stolen out of my driveway and stripped of most of the unique ZHP parts. I still got almost 2 grand for it because the idiots didn't realize that it had a steptronic transitional as an option. I went from that to a 1999 Chrysler TC with 50K miles.
 
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Euro spec with vaders? All day in great condition!

Drives up my e46M3 😉
Must say, that is one gorgeous E46 M3! I have come close to pulling the trigger on a couple myself, but the current owners could not tell me if the crank journal issues had been addressed or not. I think it was covered on a recall, but not everyone did it. That is a ride that is still on my list, just waitin for the right one.
You are correct about the Euro spec E36 M3, worth the cash, and a future collectible
 
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German Speedos over report speed, yet the odometer is right.

It is a legal requirement that the speed must never under-read but may over-read by up to 10%. So to keep it legal as the tyre wears the over-read on new tyres will be set to 7-8% and still be within 10% when the tyre is worn to the EU limit of 1.6mm of tread.
 
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It is a legal requirement that the speed must never under-read but may over-read by up to 10%. So to keep it legal as the tyre wears the over-read on new tyres will be set to 7-8% and still be within 10% when the tyre is worn to the EU limit of 1.6mm of tread.
I would guess, in a country like Germany that almost does not have speed limits on some of their expressways, that there are other practical reasons to have this speedometer discrepancy be so broad. I am officially schooled. Question though, since the US generally has more accurate speedometers, would German autos destined for the states also carry across that same margin for error?
 
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When I was very young my grandfather Tommasino shown to me and my twin brother a picture of a Lamborghini gave from a family relative Giorgio Sargiotto with a dedicated signature to him in the back.
Giorgio Sargiotto was the owner of the Turin car body company at that time named "Carrozzeria Monterosa" that was making car prototyper for many Italian car companies, one of them Lamborghini.

https://www.carrozzieri-italiani.com/te-story-behind-carrozzeria-monterosa/

For many years I tried to understand which Lamborghini was and recently looking to some Instagram pictures where a beautiful green lamborghini from 1963 was introduced I understood it was one, or one of the very few prototypes made for the Lamborghini 350GTV!!
It was presented at Turin' Auto Show (the international most relevant cas show at that time if you know what Turin was for all over the world) in 1963 and my grandfather went invited by Giorgio and dedicated to him a couple of pictures with a dedication for him.
Those pictures have an incredible resolution (looking with the lens it seems never loose detail) because it was impressed onto a very large negative (almost like the final picture) to make large prints.
Check out my grandfather pictures (now I have on my walls to remember many things he did in his life) and enjoy the beauty and my surprise for this discovery!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_350GTV

Thank you all for reading it
Thank you Tommasino, mio nonno.

 
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I would guess, in a country like Germany that almost does not have speed limits on some of their expressways, that there are other practical reasons to have this speedometer discrepancy be so broad. I am officially schooled. Question though, since the US generally has more accurate speedometers, would German autos destined for the states also carry across that same margin for error?
I think it’s just to slow people down. So when you look down and see a crazy number on the speedo your lizard brain starts saying “Hey you crazy bastard, slow down!” This is the norm on sport bikes where speedos are off by like 8-12%. I never use my motorcycle speedo. I use my GPS but I’ve learned what the offset is at various speeds.
 
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When I was very young my grandfather Tommasino shown to me and my twin brother a picture of a Lamborghini gave from a family relative Giorgio Sargiotto with a dedicated signature to him in the back.
Giorgio Sargiotto was the owner of the Turin car body company at that time named "Carrozzeria Monterosa" that was making car prototyper for many Italian car companies, one of them Lamborghini.

https://www.carrozzieri-italiani.com/te-story-behind-carrozzeria-monterosa/

For many years I tried to understand which Lamborghini was and recently looking to some Instagram pictures where a beautiful green lamborghini from 1963 was introduced I understood it was one, or one of the very few prototypes made for the Lamborghini 350GTV!!
It was presented at Turin' Auto Show (the international most relevant cas show at that time if you know what Turin was for all over the world) in 1963 and my grandfather went invited by Giorgio and dedicated to him a couple of pictures with a dedication for him.
Those pictures have an incredible resolution (looking with the lens it seems never loose detail) because it was impressed onto a very large negative (almost like the final picture) to make large prints.
Check out my grandfather pictures (now I have on my walls to remember many things he did in his life) and enjoy the beauty and my surprise for this discovery!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_350GTV

Thank you all for reading it
Thank you Tommasino, mio nonno.

I was in my early teens when this car came out, a few years before the Miura, and it made such an impression on me. For years they were not appreciated for the wonderful sports cars that they were. Now, finally, they are getting the recognition they deserve. Thank you for sharing those spectacular photos, and the story that goes with them.
 
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I think it’s just to slow people down. So when you look down and see a crazy number on the speedo your lizard brain starts saying “Hey you crazy bastard, slow down!” This is the norm on sport bikes where speedos are off by like 8-12%. I never use my motorcycle speedo. I use my GPS but I’ve learned what the offset is at various speeds.
my thoughts exactly. hey, whatever works. did not know that super-bikes use this stratagem too, but it would follow
 
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My madaz hc around the ice cream van last fall...getting summervibes again is delicious...will be passing by that place soon
 
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I was in my early teens when this car came out, a few years before the Miura, and it made such an impression on me. For years they were not appreciated for the wonderful sports cars that they were. Now, finally, they are getting the recognition they deserve. Thank you for sharing those spectacular photos, and the story that goes with them.
Thank you!! 😉
 
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When I was very young my grandfather Tommasino shown to me and my twin brother a picture of a Lamborghini gave from a family relative Giorgio Sargiotto with a dedicated signature to him in the back.
Giorgio Sargiotto was the owner of the Turin car body company at that time named "Carrozzeria Monterosa" that was making car prototyper for many Italian car companies, one of them Lamborghini.

https://www.carrozzieri-italiani.com/te-story-behind-carrozzeria-monterosa/

For many years I tried to understand which Lamborghini was and recently looking to some Instagram pictures where a beautiful green lamborghini from 1963 was introduced I understood it was one, or one of the very few prototypes made for the Lamborghini 350GTV!!
It was presented at Turin' Auto Show (the international most relevant cas show at that time if you know what Turin was for all over the world) in 1963 and my grandfather went invited by Giorgio and dedicated to him a couple of pictures with a dedication for him.
Those pictures have an incredible resolution (looking with the lens it seems never loose detail) because it was impressed onto a very large negative (almost like the final picture) to make large prints.
Check out my grandfather pictures (now I have on my walls to remember many things he did in his life) and enjoy the beauty and my surprise for this discovery!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_350GTV

Thank you all for reading it
Thank you Tommasino, mio nonno.


Great story, great photos, thanks for sharing. 👍
 
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Had a long weekend with just the kiddos so we squeezed in a day trip to a pretty local spot that is usually very wet/muddy.
However it is quite dry to to the lack of rain lately.

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Here are some pics of my Viper from multiple photographers
Always wanted to have a go at one of those……..I suspect that I could get up to all sorts of utter hoonery with one of those!