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Authenticating an old pocket watch

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Having just recently, finally, acquiring my first Omega wristwatch I remembered I had found a pocket watch a few years ago (probably on the bay or a boot sale) that is marked as Omega on the dial and movement but not working I'm afraid (I've just remembered I also have a not working tuning fork wristwatch too) 馃檮.
I was (still am) unsure of if it was actually as marked seeing as it was just a plain steel finish case and yet quite old it would seem.
Any thoughts on this item, age, if genuine, and value even?
Apologies if the pics don't work.

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Canuck
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It鈥檚 an Omega. The mechanism has 7 jewels, the case is either steel, or plated base metal. Vitreous enamel dial marked OMEGA, and information re: the retailer that sold it. Glass crystal appears very rough. You say it doesn鈥檛 work. Don鈥檛 fix it unless you plan to keep it. Repairs will be far more than the watch is worth. Age? We would need the serial number on the mechanism for that. But I would guess about 1920-25. On the list of 20 or so factors used to determine a price, age is probably least important.
 
Dan S
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The serial is right there but I can鈥檛 read it.
 
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Dan S Dan S
The serial is right there but I can鈥檛 read it.

I tried editing the photo to see if I could make the s# stand out better. If the OP would give us the s#, we might advise him of the age, more precisely.
 
JimInOz
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The case serial dates to about 1915 if it's an Omega case, but it could also be locally UK cased using the movement serial number, which again would be around 1915 give or take a few years.

Hopefully better photos to follow.

PS: Looks like the movement serial is 4313???, which would make it somewhere between 1910 and 1915.
 
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There is also something I find interesting in the layout of the movement.

Anyone else spot it?

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Canuck
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I don鈥檛 know what @JimInOz sees as odd, but I see an odd location for the hairspring stud. Typically, this movement would have the stud carrier jutting out from the edge of the balance cock, usually adjacent to the regulator arm. The arrow indicates the odd location of the hairspring stud.

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Canuck Canuck
I don鈥檛 know what @JimInOz sees as odd, but I see an odd location for the hairspring stud. Typically, this movement would have the stud carrier jutting out from the edge of the balance cock, usually adjacent to the regulator arm. The arrow indicates the odd location of the hairspring stud.

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Spot on 馃憤.
99.99% of Omega PW movements I've seen all have the stud carrier protruding from the balance cock.
I can only find one reference where Omega uses this style and that was on a 19''' key wind movement, probably intended for clock use.
 
OMG04
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In the case back is 5376133
On the movement is 4313355
The movement winds but that's it, I won't spend money on repairing it as I don't even know what I'll do with it although replacing the glass would make it nicer to look at as a display item. Where would I find a replacement glass though?
The same applies to the tuning fork wrist watch, I don't want to invest in it as I wouldn't use it.
 
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If that serial number on the mechanism begins with 4, the watch could be from circa 1912.
 
DManzaluni
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Quite a nice watch to use to repair a higher-jeweled version of the same movement? Look for one with a nicer case / cracked dial / broken balance staff
 
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Hello everyone,
I step in late, but I have found the explanation for the unusual balance bridge shape.
This bridge was used for quality A with flat (non Breguet) hairspring. The one with the stud carrier protruding from the balance cock was used for Breguet hairspring. The protruding part is called 'oreille' (ear in French) in this catalog.
Here is the description of both bridges (in French I'm afraid) from the 1926 spare parts catalog :

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Gentlemen,
Please excuse me if this is an inappropriate method of making an inquiry. I'm new here and I am definitely not Omega language knowledgeable. Yours was the first conversation I looked at on my first access of the site. Just tell me if you prefer that I go about this in some other way.
I have an Omega Hunter style pocket watch from ~ 1908. I'm 86. The watch passed to me from my father and presumably to him from his. I've been trying on occasion for years to find another like and can't. If I may post two pictures of the case maybe one of you can tell me how the work on the case is described.
thank you,
Tom
 
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There鈥檚 nothing wrong with your post. But it would receive more attention if you had started a dedicated thread, rather than burying it in an unrelated thread. To start a dedicated thread, return to the Omega Message Board home page. When you open the site, you will see all the forums listed. Look on the left side of the page for the OPEN DISCUSSION forum, and click on it. When the forum opens, look near the top of the screen on the right side for NEW THREAD, and click on it. A screen will open asking you to give your thread a title. Once you give it a title, go to the text box, and ask away.

You鈥檒l get a lot more meaningful answers if you post pictures of the back, front, and mechanism.

My guess on the case is that the cover was die struck, leaving the background in relief, foreground standing out. The case material could be silver alloy, or a base metal alloy. Markings inside the back (or front?) cover might tell more. Then the background was decorated with applied niello. Wikipedia can tell you about niello, but the process uses a resin material that is applied, then the case components are fired in a kiln to cause the resin to melt and flow. More pictures will tell us more, and you鈥檒l likely get more answers.
 
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Gentlemen,
Please excuse me if this is an inappropriate method of making an inquiry. I'm new here and I am definitely not Omega language knowledgeable. Yours was the first conversation I looked at on my first access of the site. Just tell me if you prefer that I go about this in some other way.
I have an Omega Hunter style pocket watch from ~ 1908. I'm 86. The watch passed to me from my father and presumably to him from his. I've been trying on occasion for years to find another like and can't. If I may post two pictures of the case maybe one of you can tell me how the work on the case is described.
thank you,
Tom

Thankyou for showing interest in this thread that I started when seeking similar info to yourself.
The guys you seek may have already been through and now moved on from this post having seen all they feel they need from it (it has now "dried up" somewhat) therefore as suggested stating a new one may reach your target audience.
Numerous photos are always required in all types of forums so if you can upload more dial, and in the case back ones of course & any serial No.s or such I'm sure comments & info will start to appear.
 
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Canuck Canuck
There鈥檚 nothing wrong with your post. But it would receive more attention if you had started a dedicated thread, rather than burying it in an unrelated thread. To start a dedicated thread, return to the Omega Message Board home page. When you open the site, you will see all the forums listed. Look on the left side of the page for the OPEN DISCUSSION forum, and click on it. When the forum opens, look near the top of the screen on the right side for NEW THREAD, and click on it. A screen will open asking you to give your thread a title. Once you give it a title, go to the text box, and ask away.

You鈥檒l get a lot more meaningful answers if you post pictures of the back, front, and mechanism.

My guess on the case is that the cover was die struck, leaving the background in relief, foreground standing out. The case material could be silver alloy, or a base metal alloy. Markings inside the back (or front?) cover might tell more. Then the background was decorated with applied niello. Wikipedia can tell you about niello, but the process uses a resin material that is applied, then the case components are fired in a kiln to cause the resin to melt and flow. More pictures will tell us more, and you鈥檒l likely get more answers.
 
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Thank you Canuck and OMG04 and Merry Christmas. I will begin again as you both recommend.
Tom
 
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