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Chubsmaster
·so you have a numbered small pusher one?
Yes I do, #468
Apollo Soyuz Register 1975
Yes I do, #468
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Chubsmaster
·Very interesting! It is great for owners that Omega have decided to recognise some of these De Marchi watches. It would be great to see the EOA if you don’t mind posting, and what sort of range is your serial number?
Thank you!
The movement is 32.208.1xx, and it was produced on May/10/1972. The watch was shipped to De Marchi as a regular Speedmaster on June/12/1975, and at some point it was transformed to an AS De Marchi. The watch has correct dial, caseback and bracelet.
Several AS De Marchi's come from the same Speedmaster batch, and all of them are high numbers between 41x and 46x, so there is a pattern here.
There is no evidence on when the watches were transformed to AS De Marchi, though there is at least one 5.5mm pusher AS watch #47x that was delivered to De Marchi in April 1976, which means that the numbering up to 46x was already assigned or planned.
Attached is a relevant section of my extract.
Take care!
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SoyuzPilot
·I much prefer the tone of the conversion here, as opposed to the other AS thread.. 😗
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Chubsmaster
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Agree!
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Chubsmaster
·Hi all,
This is to document the Apollo Soyuz De Marchi, #468, with my extract and a couple of shots.
The extract says it is a Speedmaster (with 1972 movement, shipped in june 1975) that was transformed by De Marchi into an Apollo Soyuz commemorative model.
It is now living a peaceful quiet life in Southern CA. I came from Rome in 2020.
Regards
This is to document the Apollo Soyuz De Marchi, #468, with my extract and a couple of shots.
The extract says it is a Speedmaster (with 1972 movement, shipped in june 1975) that was transformed by De Marchi into an Apollo Soyuz commemorative model.
It is now living a peaceful quiet life in Southern CA. I came from Rome in 2020.
Regards
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderSeen at Phillips May 2021 Geneva Auction
If anyone knows the limited number on the Case back let me know?
Movement No: 39'181'034
If anyone knows the limited number on the Case back let me know?
Movement No: 39'181'034
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pdxleaf
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If this number had faded from wear, wouldn't we expect the circular brushing to show more wear?
Based solely on the one photo, it seems not to have had an engraved number?
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td69
·If anyone knows the limited number on the Case back let me know?
Supposedly #305 as the movement serial is the same with the one sold at Fortuna auction NYC in December 2018 and already recorded in this thread.
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pdxleaf
·Supposedly #305 as the movement serial is the same with the one sold at Fortuna auction NYC in December 2018 and already recorded in this thread.
Interesting.
The picture of the case from the Fortuna site is clearer.
It looks correct, which supports the swapped pushers at service.
Also interesting that the watch was originally sold in Paris, as opposed to Turin, Italy with De Marchi. Of course dealers trade with each other, so i am not suggesting anything by this. Just something that challenges my assumptions, which is good.
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.Interesting.
The picture of the case from the Fortuna site is clearer.
It looks correct, which supports the swapped pushers at service.
Also interesting that the watch was originally sold in Paris, as opposed to Turin, Italy with De Marchi. Of course dealers trade with each other, so i am not suggesting anything by this. Just something that challenges my assumptions, which is good.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder
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pdxleaf
·This seems appropriate...
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myatt
·Hope it stays in the OF family here👍
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Gezza
·Just to confirm that number 159 was recently sold at Bonhams
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26687/lot/12/
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26687/lot/12/
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··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderG GezzaJust to confirm that number 159 was recently sold at Bonhams
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26687/lot/12/
Copied from Bonhams:
Omega. A rare and desirable stainless steel manual wind chronograph bracelet watch made for the Italian market
Model: Speedmaster Apollo Soyuz
Reference: ST 145.022, Limited Edition No.159
Date: Manufactured 3rd May 1976, Purchased 29th May 1980
Movement: 17-jewel Cal.861 manual wind, No.39181308
Dial: Black, Apollo Soyuz logo at 12, luminous baton hour markers, white outer 1/5th second divisions, subsidiary dials at 3, 6 and 9 for seconds, 30 minute and 12 hour recording, white pointed baton hands with luminous inserts, centre seconds
Case: Brushed and polished tonneau form, screw down back engraved Gemini Apollo Союз, shouldered crown flanked by twin pushers, tachymetre to bezel
Strap/Bracelet: Fitted brushed 1168 Omega link
Buckle/Clasp: Signed folding clasp
Signed: Case, dial & movement
Size: 41mm
Accompaniments: Receipt dated 29/5/80, Omega service case, Extract from the Archives, spare parts replaced during service including original hands and pushers
Footnotes
- On the 17th of July 1975, in the depths of the Cold War, space became the meeting point of two of the space faring nations, the United States of America and the Soviet Union. Every Astronaut and Cosmonaut were equipped with an Omega Speedmaster Professional and in the case of Alexey Loenov, two. To celebrate this, in 1976 the Jeweller De Marchi of Turin took delivery of a group of special celebratory Apollo Soyuz watches with the mission badge on the dial and a special embossed case back depicting the Saturn Rocket on a map of the world. The back was also lightly engraved with the limited edition number, an I for Italy and an Ω.
The present watch was bought new in 1980 at a large discount when it is possible that the Italian market was a difficult place to sell this particular piece. It was soon inherited by the present owner who left it unused in a draw for many years and only sporadically wearing it. For this reason, the dial is in excellent condition with virtually no UV damage. The owner sent it once for a service but kept all of the original parts which are available with the lot.
Very few of these original pieces were created and they have been celebrated ever since with anniversary editions being produced at 20, 25 and 30 years.
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Gezza
·Lets build a thread with known examples. One watch per post, and I will come back and edit this first post as the list builds (if it does).
#006 Last seen with Davidoff. With Extract 12 April 1976 Italy
#029 Sold Ebay Dec 2020 $31,000 Non Confirmed 39920661
#073 Goldberger book, p223
#076 Last seen https://omegaforums.net/threads/extremely-rare-omega-speedmaster-apollo-soyuz-145-022.45571/
#095 Last Seen Omega Mania here Serial 45585460
#097 Antiquorum geneva 12 November 2019 39180966 sold CHF 75,000
#100 seen Bulang and Sons Magazine Dec 2019
#111 seen with Bulang and Sons Nov 2020
#132 https://www.instagram.com/p/BUxNsY7BJlg/?taken-by=mstanga.one. Last Seen @doctor steel
#159 Sold Bonhams 15 Dec 2021 Serial 39181308 STG 41,500
#161 Serial 39181340 Auction UK December 2020
#197 seen on Chuck Maddox site
#205 Seen 29 Novemeber sold in Paris Euros 21,000, no bracelet.
#209 Spacefruit (With Extract Details to follow)
#225 Serial 39180954 @Marcel81
#233 with movement 39181022 bought Paris 2012
#236 Serial 39181025 Seen with Davidoff Brothers, Sold
#243 Sothebys Auction 19Nov19 Serial Serial 39181052
#251 Seen For Sale Watchpro site, 2010
#286 Seen Ebay April 2019 (Need details)/feb 2021 offered by Lunaroyster, 5mm pushers
#288 Christies 12 March 2019 Sold for $20,000 with Substituted Movement
#304 Seral 39181033 @Marcel81
#305 Seen at Fortuna auction NYC December 2018 Serial 39181034 wrong pushers, but parts included
#324 @cozzani1978
#333 Serial 39181272 Seen here
#340 Last Seen 2009 Vetroplastica.it
#342 Last Seen Sothebys 25 September 2018 Wrong Pushers and Bracelet
#355 See Davidoff Brothers, Serial 39180914. Grey Bezel
#468 No Serial with Extract stating "Conversion"
#47? with movement serial number: 39.181.0xx extract from archives - production date May the 3rd 1976 - official all original Apollo Soyuz (exact ltd number withheld )
#499 Serial 35580648 Antiquorum Monaco 18th Jan 2022
If you wish to contribute to the discussions regarding history and legitimacy, there is a thread herewhere your eagerly awaited comments will be in better context. I realise this is a hot topic, but I think this thread is best served by news and numbers of actual watches.
Thank you for ALL contributions. Especially over on the history/legitimacy thread linked above.[/QUOT
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Gezza
·I can confirm that I sold me Apollo soyuz number 159 at Bonhams as you thought.
My brother bought in new in May 1980 and I inherited it in Dec that year on his premature death.
It will also appear I a future edition of the BBC 1 program Antiques Roadshow from Ham House in London ....with a really high valuation.
Gerry
My brother bought in new in May 1980 and I inherited it in Dec that year on his premature death.
It will also appear I a future edition of the BBC 1 program Antiques Roadshow from Ham House in London ....with a really high valuation.
Gerry
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MTROIS
·G GezzaI can confirm that I sold me Apollo soyuz number 159 at Bonhams as you thought.
My brother bought in new in May 1980 and I inherited it in Dec that year on his premature death.
It will also appear I a future edition of the BBC 1 program Antiques Roadshow from Ham House in London ....with a really high valuation.
Gerry
Secondly, it is a bit unfortunate that you only informed the forum about this watch AFTER it went on the block. In fact, I am somewhat surprised at the relatively low result achieved, but I still need to review in more details the specifics of this lot… but in the big scheme of things, I am sure that this sale will allow other dreams to you and your family.
Good luck!!
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SpeedyPhill
·interesting follow-up... maybe time for an updated version of the excellent mstanga book: Omega Speedmaster Apollo Soyuz the First...
As the 50th anniversary is slowly but surely coming up:
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As the 50th anniversary is slowly but surely coming up:
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