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apollo 11 50th moonwatch bracelet available?
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Lex_Lugga
·Okay so think I may have pulled the trigger a few month too early on this bracelet.
Looks like the new Speedy 57 has pretty much the same bracelet but with the adjustable clasp. Only differences I can spot are clasp looks to be a bit longer and also the Omega logo is modern not vintage. Adjustment adds 2.3MM in length and there are only two settings. Pics below from the Fratello website.
Thinking it would probably work with US or Forstner endlinks but don’t know for certain.
Contacted the Omega service centre. Price for bracelet was $970 CAD so pretty much the same as the A11. The clasp is also available for separate purchase for $270 CAD.
For me personally I don’t think I’ll do the upgraded clasp at this point as I’ve been able to find a really nice fit without it. Watch never feels too loose or too tight. That may change with summer coming but I’m still very satisfied for now.
Part numbers in case it helps someone else:
bracelet: O020STZ015403
clasp: O117STZ015404
Looks like the new Speedy 57 has pretty much the same bracelet but with the adjustable clasp. Only differences I can spot are clasp looks to be a bit longer and also the Omega logo is modern not vintage. Adjustment adds 2.3MM in length and there are only two settings. Pics below from the Fratello website.
Thinking it would probably work with US or Forstner endlinks but don’t know for certain.
Contacted the Omega service centre. Price for bracelet was $970 CAD so pretty much the same as the A11. The clasp is also available for separate purchase for $270 CAD.
For me personally I don’t think I’ll do the upgraded clasp at this point as I’ve been able to find a really nice fit without it. Watch never feels too loose or too tight. That may change with summer coming but I’m still very satisfied for now.
Part numbers in case it helps someone else:
bracelet: O020STZ015403
clasp: O117STZ015404
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watchstick_81
·Looks like the new Speedy 57 has pretty much the same bracelet but with the adjustable clasp.
bracelet: O020STZ015403
clasp: O117STZ015404
Thanks! That's very interesting! I'm looking forward to more photos but the bracelet indeed looks to be the same. The new 1957 Speedmaster has a 20mm lug width, but looks like the Ed White 321 endlinks. So that's a better option for straight lug Speedmaster, but perhaps not with twisted lugs? If the clasp is interchangeable that would be sufficient to replace.
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Lex_Lugga
·Yes agreed, if you already have A11, then just the clasp is sufficient. If starting from scratch then probably this new speedy 57 bracelet plus the US/Forstner endlinks is the way to go.
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watchstick_81
·Yes agreed, if you already have A11, then just the clasp is sufficient. If starting from scratch then probably this new speedy 57 bracelet plus the US/Forstner endlinks is the way to go.
But why the US/Forstner endlinks? For 19mm lug width watches?
The original A11 endlinks fits perfect on the new generation watches and with a slight modification perfect on the older cases
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SkunkPrince
·Only differences I can spot are clasp looks to be a bit longer and also the Omega logo is modern not vintage.
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Lex_Lugga
·Don't know why you would think it's not vintage, it's just a different vintage, more 60s than late 50s.
Good point, perhaps “different vintage” would have been a better description.
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·Looks like the new Speedy 57 has pretty much the same bracelet but with the adjustable clasp. Only differences I can spot are clasp looks to be a bit longer and also the Omega logo is modern not vintage. Adjustment adds 2.3MM in length and there are only two settings. Pics below from the Fratello website.
I really wish they had included a 3 point on the go adjustment. 2 is not enough. Sure, it's better than nothing but there's no reason they couldn't include at least 3 points.
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Lex_Lugga
·But why the US/Forstner endlinks? For 19mm lug width watches?
The original A11 endlinks fits perfect on the new generation watches and with a slight modification perfect on the older cases
It was from the perspective of buying the set up from scratch to fit an 1861. If you want the adjustable clasp, the cheapest way to get is it buy the 57 bracelet plus the US/Forstner endlinks. Other option would be to buy the A11 plus adjustable 57 clasp which will be a couple of hundred bucks more (at least in Canada). Last time I checked with the with the Omega service centre they stopped selling the A11 endlinks separately.
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MisterG12
·After finding this post I finally bit the bullet and purchased the 50th bracelet. I also purchased the US hollow endlinks which indeed worked but I really wanted to use the omega links. Figured since I probably was going to use the omega links, I decided to get a little creative. I ended up using a dremel to smooth down the lip that was causing the link to set low in the case. Very happy to say that the links now are spot on using the standard springbars. Glad I gave it a shot. This at least works for my 3861 case. Have not tried it on my 1861.
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Caliber561
·Yes agreed, if you already have A11, then just the clasp is sufficient. If starting from scratch then probably this new speedy 57 bracelet plus the US/Forstner endlinks is the way to go.
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BradleyJ.
·The trick is to find skinny enough springbars.
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Rocketeer61
·That's gonna be nope from me 😲
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Rocketeer61
·As I said before it does not fit. The endlinks have some extra material and the case as a step cut inside. To make it work you would have to somehow file down the endlinks but then nothing would hold them from rotating or you have to remove some material from your midcase for the notch to fit. Here are some pics from the forum by @abrod520
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Rocketeer61
·As I said before it does not fit. The endlinks have some extra material and the case as a step cut inside. To make it work you would have to somehow file down the endlinks but then nothing would hold them from rotating or you have to remove some material from your midcase for the notch to fit. Here are some pics from the forum by @abrod520
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·Some great info in here.
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chnzwh
·Okay so think I may have pulled the trigger a few month too early on this bracelet.
Looks like the new Speedy 57 has pretty much the same bracelet but with the adjustable clasp. Only differences I can spot are clasp looks to be a bit longer and also the Omega logo is modern not vintage. Adjustment adds 2.3MM in length and there are only two settings. Pics below from the Fratello website.
Thinking it would probably work with US or Forstner endlinks but don’t know for certain.
Contacted the Omega service centre. Price for bracelet was $970 CAD so pretty much the same as the A11. The clasp is also available for separate purchase for $270 CAD.
For me personally I don’t think I’ll do the upgraded clasp at this point as I’ve been able to find a really nice fit without it. Watch never feels too loose or too tight. That may change with summer coming but I’m still very satisfied for now.
Part numbers in case it helps someone else:
bracelet: O020STZ015403
clasp: O117STZ015404
Sorry for reviving an old thread. I've ordered a Speedmaster '57 clasp for my A11 bracelet and apparently this combination has the same fitment issue similar to the "3861 bracelet+Chronoscope clasp" combination. There're two ways to install the clasp, each has its problem:
1. Attaching the '57 clasp to A11 bracelet and swing arm
The swing arm of A11 bracelet is slightly wider and as a result, it will press into the push switch inside the clasp. The clasp will close but not with ease and crispiness.
2. Attaching the '57 clasp and swing arm to A11 bracelet
Won't fit at all, coz the '57 swing arm is narrower than the gap on the connection link on A11 bracelet.
In short, for those who wants to use OMEGA OEM flatlink bracelet (with on-the-fly adjustment) on a 3861 Speedy, the best bet is to get a '57 bracelet plus a set of Forstner or Uncle Seiko endlinks.
Honestly I don't understand why OMEGA has to do this, it's like they are intentionally trying to keep people from upgrading their watches to have certain features which, IMO, should have been included in the very first place. This practice also forces them to have more SKUs than necessary.
Now, if only someone could tell me the part # for the connection link on '57 bracelet...otherwise it's $275 tossed away 🙁
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watchstick_81
·Sorry for reviving an old thread. I've ordered a Speedmaster '57 clasp for my A11 bracelet and apparently this combination has the same fitment issue
To keep it short: It fits fine!
I have installed it a few months ago. I planned on using the ‘57 bracelet with the Apollo 11 50th endlinks but that doesn’t work, the final 57 bracelet link is thicker and that makes it incompatible. So I replaced the ‘57 clasp with the Apollo 11 50th clasp and that worked perfectly (99% due to very minor production differences). No extra parts needed, no difference in dimensions So no money wasted here. I did waste money by buying the complete 57 bracelet instead of just the clasp.
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chnzwh
·To keep it short: It fits fine!
I have installed it a few months ago. I planned on using the ‘57 bracelet with the Apollo 11 50th endlinks but that doesn’t work, the final 57 bracelet link is thicker and that makes it incompatible. So I replaced the ‘57 clasp with the Apollo 11 50th clasp and that worked perfectly (99% due to very minor production differences). No extra parts needed, no difference in dimensions So no money wasted here. I did waste money by buying the complete 57 bracelet instead of just the clasp.
Not sure if our situation is similar, but here's what I've experienced, in pictures:
Comparison between the A11 clasp and '57 clasp: As you can see the swing arm on the '57 clasp is slightly wider and the two flanks are slightly narrower, in order to accommodate the push button inside the clasp
When I tried to mount the '57 clasp onto A11 bracelet, it turned out the swing arm on '57 clasp is wider than the gap on the final link of the A11 bracelet, so it won't fit.
Now, I tried to put the A11 swing arm in the '57 clasp, theoretically speaking it should be the best of both worlds as it provides both fit and comfort. Although the clasp can close with relative ease after I took out the bushing in the picture, the swing arm will still push onto the push button, which is similar to the issue other members had experienced when putting chronoscope clasp on the 3861 bracelet.
As you can see, the clasp is not a perfect fit.
I think the only way to fix my problem is to either purchase a new set of '57 bracelet, or find the final link that connects with the swing arm on the '57 bracelet.
