Anyone know the Trader Mo Alboinen, Watch.Mo.official?

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He went on about trust and relationships etc and we had been working on a deal for a couple of days for buying a speedmaster broad arrow from him and had I suggested a deal to get us over the line around chrono24 fees and safety for both of us. I got a message saying let me do the maths and I was waiting patiently for a day without reply.
Both of you were trying to shaft Chrono24 out of their legitimate fees. You were happy to use their platform to find a watch but unwilling to pay for that service which includes protection for buyer and seller. If I was the seller I would be thinking YOU were trying to take advantage of me. If you are unwilling to pay a platform's service fees stay off the platform.

Bottom line, an item is for sale until a deal is reached, there is no 'hold' on a watch while the buyer wants to futz around for the last $100. You have little basis to believe you were shafted.
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Both of you were trying to shaft Chrono24 out of their legitimate fees. You were happy to use their platform to find a watch but unwilling to pay for that service which includes protection for buyer and seller. If I was the seller I would be thinking YOU were trying to take advantage of me. If you are unwilling to pay a platform's service fees stay off the platform.

Bottom line, an item is for sale until a deal is reached, there is no 'hold' on a watch while the buyer wants to futz around for the last $100. You have little basis to believe you were shafted.
Congratulations. Another muppet that can't read.
I'll explain it again because obviously some of you aren't very bright.

I was happy with the fees on chrono24 and wasn't prepared to do the deal outside of chrono24. I wanted the protection that it offered but HE was happy to not pay them at all by getting the sale from the ad on chrono24 but selling outside of chrono24 (This is what he did in the end).

But because I wanted to stay on there he obviously wasn't happy with having to pay the fees so once WE HAD AGREED A PRICE of 3400 he said ill do that if you pay the $100 delivery. So I said we'll split it.

Then I had my brain wave and then suggested he sell it to me for the 3450 total but cheaper on chrono24 that way HE would save on the fees (and I pay less because the total is lower) of the dreaded 20% and we're both covered by chrono24. Then I'd pay the rest of THE AGREED PRICE through PayPal.

So he's not only got an extra 50 off me but I'm actually saving him money on the fees.
He then said OK let me do the maths and I'll get back to you. He then obviously wanted to work out how much he'd be saving with the reduced selling price on chrono24 and the fees through PayPal.

I waited patiently for a whole day ready to pay THE AGREED PRICE. But after that day he hadn't messaged me so when it was around 9pm his time (same time as before) I decided to message him and immediately he replied saying I think it's sold out of chrono24 for 3500 which is what he was asking out of chrono24 as I saw his advert on Instagram.

So HE got what I was basically giving him but HE obviously didn't pay the fees for chrono24 so yes he sold it from under me after WE HAD AGREED A PRICE!
 
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Let’s work through this line by line to avoid any confusion.
1. I never said 3400 was a low ball on 3500. I’d consider that a very good offer. I simply said I’d previously had a low ball offer on a watch I was selling.

2. I obviously don’t know what his asking price, best price and your offer were as you haven’t divulged that information. I was simply using those figures as examples in lieu of the actual figures.

3. My point around the extra 100 is you seem to be mad at him for not accepting 100 less. He could levy the same at you, why not pay 100 more. I’m not saying either is right, but it depends on your perspective and whether you’re the buyer or seller.

4. Again, please tel me where I said it was good to ignore someone for a day. I haven’t said that, so don’t imply I have. I generally don’t like “mulling things over/let me think about it” as it leads to situations like this. Accept or reject an offer but do so in a timely manner.

So, details aside, did he accept your offer or not? If not, although there’s clearly issues with ignoring you for a day which isn’t acceptable, if he hadn’t accepted your offer and was still thinking it over, it’s reasonable to sell it to someone else (notwithstanding my comments about thinking it over above). If you had an agreement in place then it’s completely unacceptable to sel to someone else.
So which is it?
Read my other reply please. And it wasn't me mulling things over. I was ready to go.
 
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Read my other reply please. And it wasn't me mulling things over. I was ready to go.
You have just paid the $3500.
 
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Congratulations. Another muppet that can't read.
I'll explain it again because obviously some of you aren't very bright.
You aren't going to succeed very well if you start calling OF members a 'muppet' or saying they 'aren't very bright'. Obviously you aren't happy with how this deal went down, but aren't willing to understand why it went south, partly because of your own actions. Next time make the deal yourself and don't complain if it doesn't work out to your satisfaction.
 
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Congratulations. Another muppet that can't read.
I'll explain it again because obviously some of you aren't very bright.

I was happy with the fees on chrono24 and wasn't prepared to do the deal outside of chrono24. I wanted the protection that it offered but HE was happy to not pay them at all by getting the sale from the ad on chrono24 but selling outside of chrono24 (This is what he did in the end).

But because I wanted to stay on there he obviously wasn't happy with having to pay the fees so once WE HAD AGREED A PRICE of 3400 he said ill do that if you pay the $100 delivery. So I said we'll split it.

Then I had my brain wave and then suggested he sell it to me for the 3450 total but cheaper on chrono24 that way HE would save on the fees (and I pay less because the total is lower) of the dreaded 20% and we're both covered by chrono24. Then I'd pay the rest of THE AGREED PRICE through PayPal.

So he's not only got an extra 50 off me but I'm actually saving him money on the fees.
He then said OK let me do the maths and I'll get back to you. He then obviously wanted to work out how much he'd be saving with the reduced selling price on chrono24 and the fees through PayPal.

I waited patiently for a whole day ready to pay THE AGREED PRICE. But after that day he hadn't messaged me so when it was around 9pm his time (same time as before) I decided to message him and immediately he replied saying I think it's sold out of chrono24 for 3500 which is what he was asking out of chrono24 as I saw his advert on Instagram.

So HE got what I was basically giving him but HE obviously didn't pay the fees for chrono24 so yes he sold it from under me after WE HAD AGREED A PRICE!
Still not shafted. "OK let me do the maths and I'll get back to you," is not a deal. He did better elsewhere, and perhaps with a buyer that isn't such a PITA.
 
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You aren't going to succeed very well if you start calling OF members a 'muppet' or saying they 'aren't very bright'. Obviously you aren't happy with how this deal went down, but aren't willing to understand why it went south, partly because of your own actions. Next time make the deal yourself and don't complain if it doesn't work out to your satisfaction.
So you still haven't learned how to read then. Congratulations.
Try reading it very slowly then when you realise that my "actions" were non existant and WE HAD AGREED A PRICE and you're ready to apologise ill be right here.

Oh and Wtf have I got to succeed at? It's a forum not a competition. 🙄
 
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Still not shafted. "OK let me do the maths and I'll get back to you," is not a deal. He did better elsewhere, and perhaps with a buyer that isn't such a PITA.
Jesus Christ. I obviously have far too many braincells for you lot.
What part of WE AGREED ON THE PRICE don't you cretins get.
He was only checking how much he was going to save on the fees ffs. As someone else pointed out I basically paid his price but I structured it to save HIM MONEY ON HIS FEES and I saved on the vat.
Now anyone who has difficulty reading this please refrain from replying. You're just making yourself look more stupid by the reply.

Oh no, what have I done 😲 I'll never succeed at being on a forum now! 🤣🤣
 
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Still not shafted. "OK let me do the maths and I'll get back to you," is not a deal. He did better elsewhere, and perhaps with a buyer that isn't such a PITA.
Yeah a buyer that paid 50 less than he was asking but was saving him at least 3 times that in fees. Proper pita that.
 
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But I was paying a lot less v A tee
You have just paid the $3500.
Great how this gets a thumbs up but you guys don't thumbs up my post where I tell you I was saving lots of money on vat. You stick together guys. You're bound to succeed at foruming 😂
 
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This is brilliant.

You hadn’t agreed a price at all. A deal includes all the necessary costs and terms involved in completing a transaction.
His offer was $3500 (3400 for the item plus 100
Shipping).
You didn’t accept this, instead you countered 3450. To which he said, let me do the maths/think about it.

So you didn’t have a deal. He put the ball in your court and you could’ve accepted his price and terms but instead you countered with a slightly lower price and different terms, putting the ball back in his court. You have no deal until he accepts you new price and new terms.

Whether you feel your deal was good for him and he should’ve accepted is none of your business, is arrogant in the extreme and is simply a side complication you’re using to justify your whining.
 
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@Steve D70, you can catch a lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

You also need to realize that the majority of readers on this forum are not from the UK and have no clue about how VAT works there or in the EU.

We here in the U.S. have a whole different set of tax problems.

Regarding your complaints, at least from a U.S. perspective, you have nothing without a written contract. That seller obviously listed the watch on multiple sales outlets and neither you nor I know who contacted him and when they did so.

Business ethics and etiquette are another matter entirely. Frankly, if someone blew me off on a verbal agreement to make $50 more on a different platform, I’d consider myself lucky for not doing business with them.

But you do you.
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Jesus Christ. I obviously have far too many braincells for you lot.
Thanks for the warning…
 
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Well, this is a heck of a thread but it could have ended with this: that seller's pictures/avatars are obviously two different sports cars.

Unless he's a used car salesman... I'm not touching that.
 
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Gosh, the things that happen when I'm asleep.

Regarding "deals".
I just bought a car. I said how much is it?
$xxxxx was the reply.
Can you do any better?
Sorry, we are locked on this model.
OK, I'm happy with the price.

We shook hands, and to me that was a deal. If I saw that model for less than I paid, I'd still go through with the purchase.

I realise it's more difficult to get a binding deal over the internet, and communication via messages is not conducive to mutual understanding.

I'm totally confused about the figures and I think the final outcome was the best for both parties.
 
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Thank you for the post - a very entertaining thread.