Not only did Sinclair and Troup establish Bletchley Park, Troup established the war time organization OIC that used the ULTRA that came out of Bletchley and distributed it to the theaters that needed the intelligence. From there it would evolve into Mi6 and GCHQ.

 

this one is what remained of and found from the sunken titanic.

 

Stirring stuff to read these snippets of World War II British Intelligence here on the Forum this morning!

 

MisterRolex is Author James Dowling.

https://www.ukwatches.com/the-book/

 

MisterRolex is of course the author and collector James Dowling.

 

Links to James Dowling's posts on the Vice Admiral Troup RN Longines.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBdDWH3lpvj/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBLkLmMFNEQ/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBV0EkmlhuI/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBOMLHMFgy6/

 

I am really happy to hear that you are enjoying this. It has been more than a year of reading books and tracing the information from one source to another. I should apologize to the MWR people who had to endure an extremely long version of this story as I was posting anything I could find on the subject. I made a presentation of this watch and sent it to Longines. As you have seen it is now permanently part of the Longines Electronic Archives. The person from Bletchley Museum [actually from its sister site] who preferred to be kept private and James Dowling met and shared information. The results was the postings from James Dowling. There are some small mistakes, but overall match what I have read. I also learn much from James Dowling which explained why the hallmarks pre-date the Longines Archives Invoice date by many years.

 

I feel I saved this watch. It was just going to go into someone's rubbish. I still have some work to do on it. It runs and keeps time now. It has I believe all the original parts except the lugs and crystal, which were missing. It was sold to me from Glasgow Scotland. I found out that J.A.G. Troup was a deeply religious person and attended many Christian events. His father was a Presbyterian priest. So most likely this was given to him by his parish. There are countless old news articles about him attending various churches and charity events near Clyde and giving speeches.

There was part of a "NGI" on the dial and I was in a particularly stupid state of mind as I cleaned the dial with water not thinking that Longines was water soluble. I did take a photo before hand so at least I know it matched the LEA before I removed the last bit of Longines. I tossed the crown as it was just too ugly. I also sourced the Longines "Moser-Swivel" lug stirrups. I will install them later. It has a new mineral glass as you have seen. The hand engraving on this is a lost art in my opinion.





If you look closely, the engraving is pretty amazing. At first I thought there were/are old machines that were used to make these letters. But if you look really carefully at the letters like "A" or "R" you start to notice that they are all slightly different proportions an the engraving is not absolutely straight. These were hand done with a chisel like the Romans did it. Who is still around that can do this without making a mistake and do it so skillfully that it looks like a machine made the inscription.

 

One loose end and I am done.
MI-6 British Intelligence is also known by its modern name SIS. When you dig into it, yes he was the boss for a very short time and it was really the next DNI that launched all the James Bond activities. But he did work for a year with DNI Godfrey to setup the personnel and Ian Fleming came onboard. And he is credited by the first curator of Bletchley for contributions.

 

You should have put a thread up on the watch - it is a nice story. I am not so far from Bletchley Park and worked in the area a while back but have never visited. I am inspired to make the effort now. We are a bit spoilt for choice in the area and London is not too far either.
Also stop cleaning watches in the bath

 

Since you are in the area, please go there. It will be fascinating. Also you might be able to visit Hanslope Park, it's sister site. Redacting some of the email makes it hard to understand. The person was also pointing out that Alan Turing's watch is a must see at Bletchley.

 

The website is also fun to play around with. You can plug in names of relatives that were on-site and they may have records of them. I already tried J.A.G. Troup, but found no records. They spend some effort and actively change and add to the contents of their website so worth revisiting once in a while. They lightly discuss code breaking, all the various purposes of the Huts, show pictures of early computing, and change up the exhibits.

https://bletchleypark.org.uk/

 

This series was produced by Bletchley Park. A couple of the curators are in them.
These are must see if you want to understand the importance of Bletchley Park Code Breakers.
Very detailed information. You also get more than a hint about the collaboration with NSA.

 

Thanks for the info - I will aim to go this year and report back.

 

Longines James Andrew Gardiner Troup


Longines James Andrew Gardiner Troup

 

Anybody recognize this watch? It is "The Colonel" from the battle of El Alamein. Maybe up until 5 years ago, one of the most prominent researchers into Longines vintage watches like the 13.33z, 13zn, Pointer Calendar, and Czech Pilot watch and more, Adriano Divadoni recieved this watch from the A. L. Semmence family.

http://watchexpertise.com/oldlonginespassion/Longines_Passion/the_colonel.html

 

This watch is from the famed British Army Essex Regiment. Also known better as the "Pompadours"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_Regiment

• Second World War: St. Omer-La Bassée, Tilly sur Seulles, Le Havre, Antwerp-Turnhout Canal, Scheldt, Zetten, Arnhem 1945, North-West Europe 1940 '44-45, Abyssinia 1940, Falluja, Baghdad 1941, Iraq 1941, Palmyra, Syria 1941, Tobruk 1941, Belhamed, Mersa Matruh, Defence of Alamein Line, Deir el Shein, Ruweisat, Ruweisat Ridge, El Alamein, Matmata Hills, Akarit, Enfidaville, Djebel Garci, Tunis, Ragoubet Souissi, North Africa 1941-43, Trigno, Sangro, Villa Grande, Cassino I, Castle Hill, Hangman's Hill, Italy 1943-44, Athens, 1944–45, Kohima, Chindits 1944, Burma 1943–45

 

I "collected" some of the regiments things like badges including a sniper badge.
And the photo is a WW2 AP Wire Service photo of Montgomery.

 

Nice research and story @Seiji. I visited Colchester in March. It still has a garrison / proud military town.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/wrud-drinking-today.23705/page-241#post-1953672