Anyone for Tennis - Djokovic situation discussion time ?

dsio

Oh mate you just need to go back to Facebook at this point you’ve let infowars and Joe Rogan rot your brain to the point that there’s nothing left.

Boojumhunter

Hey, look, it's an Omega! You know, because I come here for advice and camaraderie from experts and respectful enthusiasts on Omega...

Oh, yeah, it's sitting on my doctoral thesis, two extra years after six of medical school, five of surgical training, quite a few of practice; and the last two years helping run a system-wide response to Covid-19. So I guess I have some expertise on aspects of this thread as well.

So unless you can trump my credentials (and those of most doctors and scientists):
Vaccines work.
Vaccines are safe.
The vaccines take a COMPONENT of the virus and expose it to our immune system to trigger a SAFE response that is very complex.
Natural immunity after Covid infection may also provide immunity; with the added risk of dying, getting long Covid, etc.

With all my training and research, I know which I'd choose. Again, of course, as I've been vaccinated. And boosted. As have my wife, my kids, my elderly relatives, all with my encouragement and blessing.

Are the current vaccines slightly less effective with omicron? Perhaps; but some effectiveness is better than none. And, most people who accept vaccines, and the science behind them, also take other sensible precautions. Which explains the overwhelming evidence behind those being hospitalised and dying of Covid being largely the unvaccinated.

As to Australia (and New Zealand to a similar extent) protecting it's borders: well, sensible sovereign nations will do what they can to protect their citizens from that evil clover honey, right?

Now, can we get back to watches? Peace, all.

Boojumhunter

Hey, look, it's an Omega! You know, because I come here for advice and camaraderie from experts and respectful enthusiasts on Omega...

Oh, yeah, it's sitting on my doctoral thesis, two extra years after six of medical school, five of surgical training, quite a few of practice; and the last two years helping run a system-wide response to Covid-19. So I guess I have some expertise on aspects of this thread as well.

So unless you can trump my credentials (and those of most doctors and scientists):
Vaccines work.
Vaccines are safe.
The vaccines take a COMPONENT of the virus and expose it to our immune system to trigger a SAFE response that is very complex.
Natural immunity after Covid infection may also provide immunity; with the added risk of dying, getting long Covid, etc.

With all my training and research, I know which I'd choose. Again, of course, as I've been vaccinated. And boosted. As have my wife, my kids, my elderly relatives, all with my encouragement and blessing.

Are the current vaccines slightly less effective with omicron? Perhaps; but some effectiveness is better than none. And, most people who accept vaccines, and the science behind them, also take other sensible precautions. Which explains the overwhelming evidence behind those being hospitalised and dying of Covid being largely the unvaccinated.

As to Australia (and New Zealand to a similar extent) protecting it's borders: well, sensible sovereign nations will do what they can to protect their citizens from that evil clover honey, right?

Now, can we get back to watches? Peace, all.

Foo2rama

None of them….

Observer

I wasn't the least surprised to see the people where I live cower in fear as soon as their TVs told them it was the thing to do. I was surprised, however, to see how subservient Australians were. Always took them for a more independent and robust group. I guess that was just because the TV told me they were that way. Go figure.

To the original question, while I don't believe in vaccines that don't work or masks that haven't helped, I do believe that people get to set the rules for their own homes, businesses, and countries. If you need a vaccine or a mask to visit, comply or don't go. Seems pretty simple. No exception should be made for someone just because he's the best in the world at something that really doesn't matter.

Observer

I already wish I hadn't taken part in this conversation. It never works because when you stick with the facts, you run afoul of someone's beliefs and they accuse you of being on facebook or listening to Joe Rogan because it's easier to talk about that than explain themselves. Best of luck to everyone. I'm out.