Anyone for Tennis - Djokovic situation discussion time ?

Omegafanman · Jan 13, 2022

@Archer

You complain about double standards and promote them at the same time. 😕

Now time for tea and bed :0)

Archer · Jan 13, 2022

Omegafanman
I am just saying if he broke the rules (and I suspect he did) what outcome do people want?

The same consequences that a regular person would get. In this instance, it seems deportation would be the norm.

The consequences in Serbia and Spain who are still investigating him, would have to be determined by those countries based on their laws.

Omegafanman
- and what will that mean for the rest of the Tennis season - also for similar sports.

It will mean the same as it has through the entire pandemic so far. Athletes from various sports will abide by the laws of the countries they enter, as they have always been required to do since athletes travelled to other countries for sport. This isn't some big unanswered question as you make it out to be.

Omegafanman
I did suggest closing the thread and people rejected that - so I am just putting some open questions / otherwise why bother and just close the thread down?

No need to shut the thread down, but if you are going to post, people may comment on what you post. Not sure if that angry of mayfair video was meant to represent me, but if it is I'm not angry. I'm just putting out my thoughts to spur on the discussion mate. 😉

Omegafanman · Jan 13, 2022

No need to shut the thread down, but if you are going to post, people may comment on what you post. Not sure if that angry of mayfair video was meant to represent me, but if it is I'm not angry. I'm just putting out my thoughts to spur on the discussion mate. 😉[/QUOTE]

No not aimed at you - just a joke that we all compromise and have a few double faults (I mean standards :0)

duc · Jan 13, 2022

Speaking for myself, I'm fed up with double standards. Every time you turn your head (at least in the US), there is another politician breaking rules they ram down our throats (breaking the rules in the most toxic manner). Media pick sides and call out those on the opposite side they support for the slightest breach but give a total pass to their "own side" for the most egregious of rules broken. They all act like we don't see it.

So for me, this is just another example of that happening, elsewhere. I'm staying with this topic just to see if the PM will cave (and how it is spun if so) or if he will do the right thing.

And by the way, I don't like the way vaccination requirements have unfolded in many locales. Its not the biggest irritant I deal with (professionally or personally), and I don't have the same level of fear of the vaccine (or virus for that matter) as others, so I just got vaccinated and carry on.

Observer · Jan 13, 2022

Omegafanman
Not true - I am just saying people have the option to cut him some slack... and if they chose not to what level of punishment and atonement (if there can be a redemption) is required. Are we talking a life time ban?

edit:- 'but almost nobody agrees with you'...... I am the patron saint of the lost cause and need to cut out the afternoon beer :0)

It’s not necessarily that almost nobody agrees with you. Maybe almost nobody welcomes the emotional responses that they’ll receive by presenting opposing views here.

Socks · Jan 13, 2022

The thing that I’m interested in is if there is this fabricated test (or result) from the 16th December, how (or who) has created it? As I understand it is a proper test undertaken under the Serbian healthcare system. It’s logged on a database so how does something like that get fabricated/redacted?

MRC · Jan 13, 2022

Other currencies and envelope colours are available.

Databases are intended to be easily changed -- if you have suitable access. I expect it would take a lot less folding money than shown here.

Socks · Jan 13, 2022

MRC

Other currencies and envelope colours are available.

Databases are intended to be easily changed -- if you have suitable access. I expect it would take a lot less folding money than shown here.

Exactly. It’s moving on from a bit of “trying it on” at Customs & Immigration to bribery & corruption. Unless the Serbian Authorities are in on it as well.

MRC · Jan 13, 2022

Socks
Exactly. It’s moving on from a bit of “trying it on” at Customs & Immigration to bribery & corruption. Unless the Serbian Authorities are in on it as well.

In fact it may not necessarily need money. A Djokovic fan with the right access for example.

I spent one evening into the early hours of the next day right next to the computer holding the British Parliaments' records. The computer manufacturer's disk traffic tuning expert and I as the support guy for the database engine were parachuted in [*] for an emergency hunt for much lost performance, and no-one in serious authority knew we were there because we arrived after they'd gone home... I did wonder about inserting some "unparliamentary" words in the speeches of politicians I particularly disliked. Reckon it could have caused trouble for months ::stirthepot::

[*] VFR-750'd in actually and spent the time there dressed in my leathers 😜 The Stationary Office guy who admin'd the database wasn't fazed because he was a 'biker himself 👍

watchyouwant · Jan 14, 2022

His Visa is cancelled.

dsio · Jan 14, 2022

watchyouwant
His Visa is cancelled.

Hopefully they took all of that extra time to ensure the case is watertight as it will be challenged in court by some of the best lawyers in the country. It will be interesting to see if the Australian Open remove him and rework the draw now, or if they just figure he will get an injunction and drag it out long enough for him to play anyway.

queriver · Jan 14, 2022

The Immigration Minister has brought the ongoing saga around Novak Djokovic’s vaccine exemption to an end, confirming the tennis star's visa would be cancelled. Following a federal court’s decision to overturn the original decision to cancel Djokovic’s visa, the government indicated it would consider using ministerial discretion to deport the Serbian tennis star.

Following days of delay, Mr Hawke finally announced his decision under Migration Act which gives the minister full discretion to deport a person with the “public interest” being the only benchmark needed to be met.

Mr Hawke said the cancellation of Djokovic's visa was made on the grounds of "health and good order" as well as on the basis of the “public interest”.

“In making this decision, I carefully considered information provided to me by the Department of Home Affairs, the Australian Border Force and Mr Djokovic,” the Immigration Minister said.

rob#1 · Jan 14, 2022

tikkathree · Jan 14, 2022

Pianotuna
I think your question should be, should international sports stars be excluded from rules governing ordinary members of society. Speaking as a Victorian who has missed under lockdown funerals of close family members, births, milestone family events not to mention being unable to work, and not including the terribly sad stories of others who could not cross State lines to see dying relatives, etc, I’m a little over how film stars can come and go apparently at ease so I’m not inclined to easing rules for anyone. Let alone heavily indulged and self entitled sports stars. This bloke can go take a running jump. Tried gaming the system. Sod off.

Is there room on that bench for me please? I too am an ordinary member of society - not the political "elite" or from the world of entertainment - and we share the same mentally numbing experiences of the last two years.
Oh yes, I'm fully vaccinated and twice-weekly tested as you'd probably expect.
I haven't yet seen today's news but yesterday's media was full of reports of misleading forgetfulness and possibly even mendacity among the acolytes of this tennis player.

tikkathree · Jan 14, 2022

MRC
In fact it may not necessarily need money. A Djokovic fan with the right access for example.

I spent one evening into the early hours of the next day right next to the computer holding the British Parliaments' records. The computer manufacturer's disk traffic tuning expert and I as the support guy for the database engine were parachuted in [*] for an emergency hunt for much lost performance, and no-one in serious authority knew we were there because we arrived after they'd gone home... I did wonder about inserting some "unparliamentary" words in the speeches of politicians I particularly disliked. Reckon it could have caused trouble for months

[*] VFR-750'd in actually and spent the time there dressed in my leathers 😜 The Stationary Office guy who admin'd the database wasn't fazed because he was a 'biker himself 👍

Ooh! Could you possibly insert "A serial womaniser and father of at least seven children on his way to another Westminster office party admitted that his overblown sense of entitlement is better protection than any vaccine." :whipped:

JimInOz · Jan 14, 2022

tikkathree
Is there room on that bench for me please? I too am an ordinary member of society - not the political "elite" or from the world of entertainment - and we share the same mentally numbing experiences of the last two years.
Oh yes, I'm fully vaccinated and twice-weekly tested as you'd probably expect.
I haven't yet seen today's news but yesterday's media was full of reports of misleading forgetfulness and possibly even mendacity among the acolytes of this tennis player.

Only one word in your post made a connection with me.

😉

Martin_J_N · Jan 14, 2022

Not sure how this Novak issue will pan out but it seems that those with money can enter and leave countries as they see fit whilst the rest of us do our best to follow the rules. I see pop stars and other celebrities appearing today on a beach in Miami, a week or so later Mexico, then on an Australian beach a few weeks later, the gossip columns seem to indicate that politicians around the world can do as they please again whilst the mere mortals follow the rules.

As soon as you introduce rules people with money find a way to flout them, at least that is how it seems to me.

Is Australia doing the right thing with Novak, yes, but should others who spending their lives jetting round the world and have flown in to enjoy the Aussie sunshine have been treated the same way in the preceding weeks or months, probably.

Credit to Australia for standing up to a sporting superstar who doesn’t appear to have followed the rules but I wonder how many celebrities have slipped through their vaccination net in the previous weeks and months?

Omegafanman · Jan 14, 2022

Martin_J_N
Not sure how this Novak issue will pan out but it seems that those with money can enter and leave countries as they see fit whilst the rest of us do our best to follow the rules. I see pop stars and other celebrities appearing today on a beach in Miami, a week or so later Mexico, then on an Australian beach a few weeks later, the gossip columns seem to indicate that politicians around the world can do as they please again whilst the mere mortals follow the rules.

As soon as you introduce rules people with money find a way to flout them, at least that is how it seems to me.

Is Australia doing the right thing with Novak, yes, but should others who spending their lives jetting round the world and have flown in to enjoy the Aussie sunshine have been treated the same way in the preceding weeks or months, probably.

Credit to Australia for standing up to a sporting superstar who doesn’t appear to have followed the rules but I wonder how many celebrities have slipped through their vaccination net in the previous weeks and months?

Just a wild thought (and knowing for various good reasons a lot of people are outraged on a lot of points)
I hope the push for good order and public interest does not drive harder and tougher rules any longer than we need them. At some point maybe travel rules / all rules can be relaxed based on the science. I do not have any strong political leanings because their first rule is get elected and their second is stay elected. Whatever number three is will be way down the list and it had better strongly contribute to the first two rules...
At least it was all good timing for Prince Andrew again

Omegafanman · Jan 14, 2022

Apparently he is packed and ready to go.....

The average flight time between Australia and Belgrade (Serbia's capital), is 30 hours and 5 minutes....

On a more serious note there is yet a risk he could mount a further challenge?
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dsio · Jan 14, 2022

Omegafanman
Apparently he is packed and ready to go.....

The average flight time between Australia and Belgrade (Serbia's capital), is 30 hours and 5 minutes....

On a more serious note there is yet a risk he could mount a further challenge?
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No doubt there will be an appeal, there are lawyers in Australia saying he could likely get an injunction to stay for another week until a hearing can take place but that the minister also made sure to get the best advice possible to ensure that case will be unsuccessful. Sounds likely it will be a case of injunction -> he plays in round 1, maybe 2, -> goes before judge and likely loses -> goodbye -> see you at the 2026 Australian Open in 3 years.