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vbrad26
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Ok I have been totally ignoring this but I keep seeing this thread and I keep seeing the headlines.
WTF is going on with this dude, what'd he do? lol
 
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Ok I have been totally ignoring this but I keep seeing this thread and I keep seeing the headlines.
WTF is going on with this dude, what'd he do? lol

“The story so far. In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.”
 
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Ok I have been totally ignoring this but I keep seeing this thread and I keep seeing the headlines.
WTF is going on with this dude, what'd he do? lol

General douchebaggery and disregard for others, plus breaking laws...now under investigation in 3 different countries...
 
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Ok I have been totally ignoring this but I keep seeing this thread and I keep seeing the headlines.
WTF is going on with this dude, what'd he do? lol

OK, so you don’t want to do like ordinary persons and read the whole thread. You’re special and expect the rules will be bend to fit you?

Just kidding you of course😜😁, but that pretty much explains how the dude in question acts.
 
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OK, so you don’t want to do like ordinary persons and read the whole thread. You’re special and expect the rules will be bend to fit you?

Just kidding you of course😜😁, but that pretty much explains how the dude in question acts.

Oh then I totally understand lol.
 
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That’s the general consensus in Queensland, sadly we can only deport one of the two though.

If there’s any silver lining, at least for us over here in the Ununited States, it’s that we haven’t completely cornered the market on asshole athletes and politicians.
 
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If there’s any silver lining, at least for us over here in the Ununited States, it’s that we haven’t completely cornered the market on asshole athletes and politicians.

Like nappies politicians should be changed frequently and for the same reason. Sports people should never be considered the messiah and can be very naughty boys and girls. Shame if they have talent and it becomes career ending depending on the level of perceived transgression.
 
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... it becomes career ending depending on the level of perceived transgression.

It's wise to remember that to almost everyone, perception is reality. In this case, the reality is the reality. You don't have to look hard or dig deep to discover Djokovic broke all kinds of rules.

IMO, the only thing remaining is for the PM to decide if he wants to (correctly) deport this person and suffer the financial and political hit; or if he is willing to turn himself inside out and let him stay, suffering only a political hit (from a different angle).
 
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Tennis great Novak Djokovic apologized on Tuesday for flouting social distancing rules during the Balkans charity tennis "Adria Tour" exhibition tournament in Croatia, after he and his wife tested positive for COVID-19.
 
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It's wise to remember that to almost everyone, perception is reality. In this case, the reality is the reality. You don't have to look hard or dig deep to discover Djokovic broke all kinds of rules.

IMO, the only thing remaining is for the PM to decide if he wants to (correctly) deport this person and suffer the financial and political hit; or if he is willing to turn himself inside out and let him stay, suffering only a political hit (from a different angle).

Agreed, nothing "perceived" about this...
 
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It's wise to remember that to almost everyone, perception is reality. In this case, the reality is the reality. You don't have to look hard or dig deep to discover Djokovic broke all kinds of rules.

IMO, the only thing remaining is for the PM to decide if he wants to (correctly) deport this person and suffer the financial and political hit; or if he is willing to turn himself inside out and let him stay, suffering only a political hit (from a different angle).

I guess we all have a scale and we all break rules. There is driving 31 in a 30 and there is smuggling 1kg of heroin into Singapore at the extremes. Each has consequences of varying degrees. My reference to perception was not to imply no rule was broken - it was more looking to establish the level and the penalty. For example breaking lockdown rules and hosting a garden party pre-vaccine and only a month after leaving intensive care following a Covid near death experience while being UK prime minster might show a lack of care for others or a skewed understanding of the risks :0)

Back to Djokovic. Being out in public when covid posative (unless carefully returning home after a posative test) is one thing and very bad in my book. Trying to circumvent rules (and lie) to avoid compulsary vacination is another. There are a percentage of people (another example below) who are vaccine hesitant. I am not condoning that postion but I guess that has created this situation. Djokovic is currently being allowed out in public so one hopes he is not considered to be a grave risk to public health. The new laws and lack of exemptions have driven the flawed behaviour to a degree. Public / media opinion after all the health emergency rules is also a strong factor on how he will be dealt with.
I bet when all the politicians fly in for a big international conference there are special rules for them / direct cars from the airport etc.. who fills in the visa for for Biden....In the same way F1, tennis, football etc could be considered an international circus which is linked to national identity - so also special case as well maybe?

COVID-19: GP explains why she won't have vaccine but says she is not anti-vax | UK News | Sky News
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I guess we all have a scale and we all break rules. There is driving 31 in a 30 and there is smuggling 1kg of heroin into Singapore at the extremes. Each has consequences of varying degrees. My reference to perception was not to imply no rule was broken - it was more looking to establish the level and the penalty. For example breaking lockdown rules and hosting a garden party pre-vaccine and only a month after leaving intensive care following a Covid near death experience while being UK prime minster might show a lack of care for others or a skewed understanding of the risks :0)

Back to Djokovic. Being out in public when covid posative (unless carefully returning home after a posative test) is one thing and very bad in my book. Trying to circumvent rules to avoid compulsary vacination is another. There are a percentage of people (another example below) who are vaccine hesitant. I am not condoning that postion but I guess that has created this situation. Djokovic is currently being allowed out in public so one hopes he is not considered to be a grave risk to public health. The new laws and lack of exemptions have driven the flawed behaviour to a degree. Public / media opinion after all the health emergency rules is also a strong factor on how he will be dealt with.
I bet when all the politicians fly in for a big international conference there are special rules for them / direct cars from the airport etc.. who fills in the visa for for Biden....In the same way F1, tennis, football etc could be considered an international circus so a special case as well maybe?

COVID-19: GP explains why she won't have vaccine but says she is not anti-vax | UK News | Sky News

Yeah, we get it. You think we should cut Novak some slack. Special treatment is ok because he's a celebrity. What he did isn't so bad. You made your point many times already, but almost nobody agrees with you. I don't think whataboutism is going to help. It really doesn't matter what politicians do, we're talking about a tennis player.
 
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Back to Djokovic. Being out in public when covid posative (unless carefully returning home after a posative test) is one thing and very bad in my book. Trying to circumvent rules to avoid compulsary vacination is another. There are a percentage of people (another example below) who are vaccine hesitant.

Is vaccination compulsory in Serbia? I don't think anyone is forcing him to get vaccinated.
 
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Is vaccination compulsory in Serbia? I don't think anyone is forcing him to get vaccinated.

I assume it would prevent him competing in some countries - hence driving bad behaviour to get round the rules which is the root of the problem.

Vagueness and fudge seems to be very popular in diplomacy - the grease which lets the international cogs mesh. When it is too black and white it can grind to a halt. Keeping it under the radar might have helped eveyone.
 
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Yeah, we get it. You think we should cut Novak some slack. Special treatment is ok because he's a celebrity. What he did isn't so bad. You made your point many times already, but almost nobody agrees with you. I don't think whataboutism is going to help. It really doesn't matter what politicians do, we're talking about a tennis player.

Not true - I am just saying people have the option to cut him some slack... and if they chose not to what level of punishment and atonement (if there can be a redemption) is required. Are we talking a life time ban?


edit:- 'but almost nobody agrees with you'...... I am the patron saint of the lost cause and need to cut out the afternoon beer :0)
 
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I assume it would prevent him competing in some countries - hence driving bad behaviour to get round the rules which is the root of the problem.

So the requirement that a country makes to have people enter, is "driving" his bad behaviour? 🙄

"Honest Mr. border officer, if it wasn't for those pesky import taxes driving me to smuggle in this expensive watch, it would have never happened, so really it's your fault."

Honestly, you should be his publicist/apologist.

You keep mentioning the bad behaviour of Boris and crew (seems to be the real purpose of this thread you mention it so often) but then blame Djokovic's bad behaviour on a policy he refused to comply with, and suggest we can cut him slack.

You complain about double standards and promote them at the same time. 😕

Oh I know, you are just putting stuff out there to promote conversation and exchanges of ideas...I keep forgetting that...
 
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How all this start...

The Australians said :" No one can come without vaccination"

Djokovic understood : "No 1 can come without vaccination"

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So the requirement that a country makes to have people enter, is "driving" his bad behaviour? 🙄

"Honest Mr. border officer, if it wasn't for those pesky import taxes driving me to smuggle in this expensive watch, it would have never happened, so really it's your fault."

Honestly, you should be his publicist/apologist.

You keep mentioning the bad behaviour of Boris and crew (seems to be the real purpose of this thread you mention it so often) but then blame Djokovic's bad behaviour on a policy he refused to comply with, and suggest we can cut him slack.

You complain about double standards and promote them at the same time. 😕

Oh I know, you are just putting stuff out there to promote conversation and exchanges of ideas...I keep forgetting that...

I think you are reading too much into it :0) - I am just saying if he broke the rules (and I suspect he did) what outcome do people want? - and what will that mean for the rest of the Tennis season - also for similar sports.
I did suggest closing the thread and people rejected that - so I am just putting some open questions / otherwise why bother and just close the thread down?
 
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