Any love for the Speedy Reduced?

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Hi Chris,

Few things...

There is one movement holder that Omega sells specifically to make servicing of the module easier. As you have shown it can be done without that holder, but if I were doing a lot of them (I don't and won't if anyone is thinking of asking!) then it would certainly be a handy thing to have to make life easier.

As far as just servicing the base movement, and putting the module on to test it, that may be what people do, but it's not really what Omega calls for. In fact the tech guide for the 3220 says this as the very first thing (after listing tools lubricants, and parts that have been redesigned that should be changed):

"The chronograph is always disassembled in the START position.

The chronograph module must be completely disassembled. All parts should be cleaned carefully."

Emphasis is mine.

There are certainly checks for functionality that must be done on the module after service, and there is an allowed amplitude drop between the chronograph turned on and when turned off, but these are not used to determine if the module is serviced or replaced. It always gets serviced, at least if the job is being done properly.

Your point about the module always running is an important one for those who may think that just because the chronograph isn't running, the module isn't getting any wear - that is a completely false idea.

As I've said many times before in these threads, the modular chronograph isn't more expensive to service than an integrated chronograph is if you send it to Omega - they charge the same for all chronographs. So the "it's more expensive" claim is somewhat midleading. But what is certain is that if you are getting a full and proper service, your options will be much more limited than they are with an integrated chronograph, such as the 7750 based calibers.

If people love these and want them, then buy all means get one. Just understand what it is you are buying before you do so, and what it may mean in terms of servicing down the road (or right away as the case may be).

Cheers, Al
Then this goes to my last question- is one that has been factory serviced within the last decade or two been modified with newly designed parts and does that make them more reliable than the earlier issued ones?
 
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Hi Chris,

Few things...

There is one movement holder that Omega sells specifically to make servicing of the module easier. As you have shown it can be done without that holder, but if I were doing a lot of them (I don't and won't if anyone is thinking of asking!) then it would certainly be a handy thing to have to make life easier.

As far as just servicing the base movement, and putting the module on to test it, that may be what people do, but it's not really what Omega calls for. In fact the tech guide for the 3220 says this as the very first thing (after listing tools lubricants, and parts that have been redesigned that should be changed):

"The chronograph is always disassembled in the START position.

The chronograph module must be completely disassembled. All parts should be cleaned carefully."

Emphasis is mine.

There are certainly checks for functionality that must be done on the module after service, and there is an allowed amplitude drop between the chronograph turned on and when turned off, but these are not used to determine if the module is serviced or replaced. It always gets serviced, at least if the job is being done properly.

Your point about the module always running is an important one for those who may think that just because the chronograph isn't running, the module isn't getting any wear - that is a completely false idea.

As I've said many times before in these threads, the modular chronograph isn't more expensive to service than an integrated chronograph is if you send it to Omega - they charge the same for all chronographs. So the "it's more expensive" claim is somewhat midleading. But what is certain is that if you are getting a full and proper service, your options will be much more limited than they are with an integrated chronograph, such as the 7750 based calibers.

If people love these and want them, then buy all means get one. Just understand what it is you are buying before you do so, and what it may mean in terms of servicing down the road (or right away as the case may be).

Cheers, Al
Hi Al

I should have checked, and not just relied on my memory, before posting but was on my way out - thanks for that correction. Yes, I just looked at that 3220 guide and it is very clear that the module should be completely disassembled...

It would be useful to have the holder but, like you I don't really want to do these and only did the last one as a favour for a repeat customer.

Cheers, Chris
 
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The module on the replacement movement for my reduced is about 20 years or so newer than the original module. The only notable difference is that the watch was a lemon before the new movement was fitted, and it is now a beautiful performer. Only visible difference was the original movement was gilded, and the new one is nickel.
 
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The module on the replacement movement for my reduced is about 20 years or so newer than the original module. The only notable difference is that the watch was a lemon before the new movement was fitted, and it is now a beautiful performer. Only visible difference was the original movement was gilded, and the new one is nickel.
Can you show a pic please! Can anyone else confirm this vital cue to the newer movement?
 
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This whole situation reminds me of the BMW Nikasil engine debacle of the 90’s - if the engine failed BMW replaced the engine under warranty that they extended to 100k (to avoid recall), but if it stayed alive you had a potential ticking time bomb. The cars with these engines have always been a red- headed stepchild and everyone was afraid of them, but if you had a car with the replacement engine, you were fine.
 
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Can you show a pic please! Can anyone else confirm this vital cue to the newer movement?

I don’t have a picture of the late lamented gilt movement, and I’m not home right now, to upload a picture of the nickel movement.
 
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Then this goes to my last question- is one that has been factory serviced within the last decade or two been modified with newly designed parts and does that make them more reliable than the earlier issued ones?

Last movement update to the 3220 was in 2012 from what I can see. If you get a 3220 that has been serviced 2013 or after, you should have the latest parts.
 
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Last movement update to the 3220 was in 2012 from what I can see. If you get a 3220 that has been serviced 2013 or after, you should have the latest parts.
Exactly what I needed to know. So I have done my reading and there were apparently 4 versions of this movement in the reduced:
1140,1141,1143 & 3220 (and a variations on the 3220 with suffix a)

Are all of the 3220’s “safe” or just the most recent ( post 2013?)? Should the 11 series be avoided all together unless provided with factory service paperwork?
If one sent an 11xx watch to omega for service since 2013, would it have been replaced with a 3220?
 
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I picked up a Speedmaster reduced a few years ago. It was from 1984. My son wears it now and loves it. Suits a smaller wrist in my opinion but great watches and good value for money too.
 
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Little watches...for little blokes??? 😕 ...... Sounds perfect to me.😀
 
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May be I am one of those lucky ones. I have two of them one is the dated version and the other one is a triple date version. The dated version was bought from a friend (2002) who was the first owner, and the triple date version was bought from a person whom I never met (2010). Both of them have worked perfectly.

We, forum members and other watch enthusiasts in general do not use the watches as tool-watches. Also most of us have way more than one watch to wear, so most of the watches we own are worn in rotation.

Additionally, most of us don't keep the same watch for long in our collection and pass the watch on other buyers without a service.

Of course, what I have rambled above do not apply to everyone and also they don't apply for Grail-watches that are one in a lifetime purchases.

I think when purchasing any watch we need to consider all these factors. Two people with two different needs to fill may reach different conclusion on the very same watch.

Having said all of that, I certainly would not recommend speedmaster reduced to anyone for a grail watch.
 
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May be I am one of those lucky ones. I have two of them one is the dated version and the other one is a triple date version. The dated version was bought from a friend (2002) who was the first owner, and the triple date version was bought from a person whom I never met (2010). Both of them have worked perfectly.
Triple dates are not "reduced" models they are based on a 7750 movement and not modular. They share a very similar size. But they are more closely related to the reduced replacement the speed master dates.
 
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Triple dates are not "reduced" models they are based on a 7750 movement and not modular. They share a very similar size. But they are more closely related to the reduced replacement the speed master dates.
Thank you so much for correcting me. I didn't know that. Always willing to learn.