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Antiquorum up to their old tricks...

  1. ATWG May 1, 2021

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    I know a lot of members here follow Antiquorum auctions. Most of us also know they have little regard for authenticity. Here is the latest example below, just adds to their long and distinguished lists.

    I’ll say it again, this is the reason I stay away from Italian dealers all together. Most counterfeits originate either from Italy or HK. They seem to have mastered the art of restamping Rolex cases and adding desirable patina to dials to add value.


    https://perezcope.com/2021/04/30/return-to-the-planet-of-the-fakes-albino-daytona-made-in-tuscany/
     
  2. NotAClue May 1, 2021

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    Fortunately there are still people like Jose who are still one step ahead of fakers...

    Italy might have very skilful fakers and scrupulous dealers but it is also the source of plenty of amazing and all original watches.

    Antiquorum still has very good watches to bid. It’s no terrain for amateurs however. You need to know what you’re buying, that’s all...
     
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  3. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member May 1, 2021

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    Italy and HK do have some of the best watches and most passionate collectors in the world so its not worth writing them off but care as always is needed.

    AQ though… yea

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/antiquorum-another-neptune-seamaster-cloisonne.2576/

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/seamaster-pie-pan-train-wreck.4565/

    EBay may be far from perfect but at least with the authenticity program they’re making an effort (though one with issues) and charging far less in fees.

    Christies and others do take things seriously if they are tipped off or suspect a counterfeit or dodgy watch, their reputation matters to them so I can at least understand their fees.
     
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  4. kingsrider Thank you Sir! May I have another? May 1, 2021

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    Therein lies a problem. Should they need to be tipped off? or, shouldn't they be ahead of the curve?
    When a watch could sell for 5,6 or 7 figures doesn't the auction house/consignor have an obligation to properly vet the watch prior to sale?
     
  5. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member May 1, 2021

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    Ideally they should be ahead of the curve for sure but I can understand when things slip through. AQ when they’re notified don’t seem to really care based on past history, Christies will often de-list the item immediately and review / remove it
     
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  6. M'Bob May 2, 2021

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    If one went to a physician who missed diagnoses as frequently as these auction houses missed important details, they would lose their license...
     
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