Antiques Roadshow UK

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On the Antiques Roadshow tonight, a family brought in a 1680 Sub and 40’s gold deco style Rolex. The ‘experts’ opening gambit was “in vintage watches you need to remember 3 words; Rolex, Rolex, Rolex”.

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As a dealer they are surely saying “Rolex are eminently sellable at silly prices”. If it stops ridiculous price inflation for Omegas shouldn’t we be happy for this to perpetuate? It’s not as if they are saying anything else is not worth having. I seem to remember them drooling over a vintage Speedy with box and papers not so long ago.
 
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Ha yeah I see your point.

My rant was more the ignorance of a supposed expert saying with a straight face that Rolex, Rolex, Rolex were the most important words in vintage watches. For a brief minute I thought he was going to say “condition, condition, condition”!
 
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Ahh the roadshhow. A British institution. Used to watch it as a kid with my grandparents and still watch it now despite the fact it's ridiculously white and middle class. You hardly ever see a person of colour on it with the exception of dealer Ronnie Archer and the toffs who go on it with their heirlooms are usually so loaded that they rarely crack a smile when told old auntie Doris's tiara is worth 18k. Still, always good for the odd watch spot. Usually Omega and Rolex.
 
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Ha yeah I see your point.

My rant was more the ignorance of a supposed expert saying with a straight face that Rolex, Rolex, Rolex were the most important words in vintage watches. For a brief minute I thought he was going to say “condition, condition, condition”!

This is a tad harsh as he doesn't actually say that, he recounts a story where someone else told him about the importance of Rolex.

I think we need to bear in mind that he is pitching his presentation at the BBC Sunday evening audience, rather than vintage watch collectors, and there is also a need to be entertaining and soundbites/anecdotes help with that.
 
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Ahh the roadshhow. A British institution. Used to watch it as a kid with my grandparents and still watch it now despite the fact it's ridiculously white and middle class. You hardly ever see a person of colour on it with the exception of dealer Ronnie Archer and the toffs who go on it with their heirlooms are usually so loaded that they rarely crack a smile when told old auntie Doris's tiara is worth 18k. Still, always good for the odd watch spot. Usually Omega and Rolex.

Hardly ridiculous and may more have something to do with the fact that the vast majority of the 'people of colour' in the cold Northern Hemisphere of the UK came there as poor immigrants without the luxury of earned or inherited wealth.

It's certainly not the fault of the antique owners who bring their treasures to Antiques Roadshow that they are mainly white and middle class as they have had generations of time to have built up some family wealth and possessions, some of which may be both interesting and valuable.

I dislike this kind of inversed racism and think we should stick to the topic of watches
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It's an obnoxious comment to collectors, but in terms of total value on the vintage market, there's some truth to it. Just look at the massive numbers of vintage Rolex watches selling for high values on a daily basis. There is no other brand that can compare.
 
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Oddly to the non watch audience Rolex Rolex Rolex is still the watch. Half of my non watch friends think half of my watches are cheap no names.


Me “Here is a Lemania single stem super compressor”
Mate “ooh I like that one. Who makes them ?”


Mate “What you got on today”
Me “ wearing a 1000m Certina DS-3”
Mate “looks like a Rolex”

Mate “ is that a Garmin”
Me “ it’s a Terra Cielo Mare mechanical in titanium with a Solar Compass”
Mate “Looks like a Garmin”
 
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Just got back from Nassau, Bahamas. Large Rolex store was empty, I mean empty. They had two used items and zero new. Not even display models. One of the used was a small ladies model. The other a used submariner they wanted 14k for. The two staffers there couldn't care less that I came in or left.

Then went to Breitling store. Fully loaded. Longines. Fully Loaded. In fact all the rest I saw were fully loaded.
 
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Just got back from Nassau, Bahamas. Large Rolex store was empty, I mean empty. They had two used items and zero new. Not even display models. One of the used was a small ladies model. The other a used submariner they wanted 14k for. The two staffers there couldn't care less that I came in or left.

Then went to Breitling store. Fully loaded. Longines. Fully Loaded. In fact all the rest I saw were fully loaded.

Times change. I remember being in Chicago in 2011, and being in a Rolex Boutique where the sales lady kept pushing watches at me the whole time I was there, like they were desperate to sell them to me - cases full of pretty much every model you could think of. In Maui in 2016, had a sales lady pushing a platinum Daytona at me - insisted I try it on even though I told her I wasn't interested and was just killing time while my wife was in another shop. In Honolulu, they were pushing the Zebra DJ at me...

The current situation will pass, and they will go back to having to work for a ale again, of that I am sure.
 
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“in vintage watches you need to remember 3 words; Rolex, Rolex, Rolex”.

And there I thought it was “condition, condition, condition” … poor me …
 
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Hardly ridiculous and may more have something to do with the fact that the vast majority of the 'people of colour' in the cold Northern Hemisphere of the UK came there as poor immigrants without the luxury of earned or inherited wealth.

It's certainly not the fault of the antique owners who bring their treasures to Antiques Roadshow that they are mainly white and middle class as they have had generations of time to have built up some family wealth and possessions, some of which may be both interesting and valuable.

I dislike this kind of inversed racism and think we should stick to the topic of watches


Okay. Not white and middle class. Let's say smug and self satisfied.
 
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Times change. I remember being in Chicago in 2011, and being in a Rolex Boutique where the sales lady kept pushing watches at me the whole time I was there, like they were desperate to sell them to me - cases full of pretty much every model you could think of. In Maui in 2016, had a sales lady pushing a platinum Daytona at me - insisted I try it on even though I told her I wasn't interested and was just killing time while my wife was in another shop. In Honolulu, they were pushing the Zebra DJ at me...

The current situation will pass, and they will go back to having to work for a ale again, of that I am sure.
That’s nice dear
 
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Many years ago myself and another apprentice once got asked to leave the antiques road show for our antics not our antiques (we did nothing wrong really- honest guv)
We had perfected the loudest through the teeth inhale / intake of breath noise known to man.
They were filming near our works, so as young lads we found it hilarious to visit on our lunch break, and have the sharpest, noisy intake of breath when an article was revealed to be interesting but worthless or worth £1.20 ….. it was good we got chucked out as the sound man was going to kill us. Ironic because the lad I was with ended up as a film director (not that either of us knew his direction of travel then)
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Okay. Not white and middle class. Let's say smug and self satisfied.

I am a bit confused (not for the first time) if you went to India, Japan, China etc and ran the format I imagine families would come forward with interesting and sometimes very valuable antiques. As always there would be some surprise unknown finds, but most of the high value items (which viewers like to see) would be owned by better off families who have not been forced to sell them to survive or had them stolen in some way by powers that be - and those are countries with a broad spread of political systems.
 
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Okay. Not white and middle class. Let's say smug and self satisfied.

Better than miserable and jealous 🙄
 
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Had the whole lot so far then, race, snobbery, wealth, class, politics. prejudice.....add in religion and you could be down the pub.😉
 
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Had the whole lot so far then, race, snobbery, wealth, class, politics. prejudice.....add in religion and you could be down the pub.😉

For a good old English pint and curry 😁