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Another 145.012 with alleged “Ultraman” configuration

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Hello all,

Posting for everyone’s consideration since I find topics on this model extremely educational, I hope it’s the same for other members (I am not related to the owner of the watch).

Especially when it comes to Ultramans coming up for public auctions rather than popping out of grandpa’s drawers (although this could well be one of the recent Ultramans posted in this very same forum..).

As I am not an expert at all I am just going to mention that the listing states serial is 2607xxx which may be in the correct range and the extract of archives confirming special second hand fitting is dated Oct 1st 2019 which means it was obtained through the new process whereby you have to submit a picture of the watch and hence validated by bienne.

I am attaching some pictures, the main question mark relates to the second hand’s length, some members stated in previous posts that the hand should reach beyond the seconds track whilst this one seems shorter.

Any comment from the forum members is highly appreciated

thanks
Duccio


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simonsays
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I no longer see much value in these. Omega are giving out extracts for any 145.012 in the correct serial range, regardless of what kind of orange hand is fitted. Yes it is a nice touch to have an original, but with so many Omega verified 'put togethers' the collectibility and credibility of these has been seriously diminished
 
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I no longer see much value in these. Omega are giving out extracts for any 145.012 in the correct serial range, regardless of what kind of orange hand is fitted. Yes it is a nice touch to have an original, but with so many Omega verified 'put togethers' the collectibility and credibility of these has been seriously diminished

You are absolutely correct
 
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I no longer see much value in these. Omega are giving out extracts for any 145.012 in the correct serial range, regardless of what kind of orange hand is fitted. Yes it is a nice touch to have an original, but with so many Omega verified 'put togethers' the collectibility and credibility of these has been seriously diminished

Where are the Omega verified put togethers?
Please share so we all know to avoid them.
I started logging watches without orange hands but in the correct serial range but only found two.

Cheers, Michael
 
simonsays
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Do I have to do the legwork? If you have been logging them they are in your records. I have seen about 15 EOA accompanied watches without the correct hand. Including the one in this thread.
I have seen a few with the normal hand within range. I didn’t buy because that’s not my style. I think a few people have made the connection though.
 
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with so many Omega verified 'put togethers' the collectibility and credibility of these has been seriously diminished

I agree...along with the credibility of the extract process itself.
 
michael e
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Do I have to do the legwork? If you have been logging them they are in your records. I have seen about 15 EOA accompanied watches without the correct hand. Including the one in this thread.
I have seen a few with the normal hand within range. I didn’t buy because that’s not my style. I think a few people have made the connection though.

I have been logging watches on the market with correct serial range but being sold with white hands to make sure I do not buy them if they crop up again with orange hands fitted. I have only found two so far.

I do not see many of these watches around and find it hard to judge the hand length from photographs on the net, depending on the angle the same watch with same hand can look different lengths, sometimes it looks to go beyond the minute track other times it looks to be lined up with it (same watch different angle)

When you said "with so many put togethers" I thought you might have a source for proof.

Cheers, Michael
 
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I have a '67 with tritium hour and minute, but SL chrono second hand.

The EOA states it was delivered with an orange chrono hand (text on EOA like shown above).

Most likely the chrono second hand was swapped for whatever reasons in the past.

Is this watch a put together now?
 
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I have a '67 with tritium hour and minute, but SL chrono second hand.

The EOA states it was delivered with an orange chrono hand (text on EOA like shown above).

Most likely the chrono second hand was swapped for whatever reasons in the past.

Is this watch a put together now?

When did you get the extract?
 
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So what is the consensus on the orange hand length?
Some are obviously way too short and are not in the correct range anyway so lets forget about those watches.

Some say the orange hand should go beyond the minute track but when I see watches (Ultraman) square on and with very little angle in the photograph I see it is pretty much at the very edge of the track. Also some chrono hands have a little more curve to them which makes them look slightly shorter so a in person inspection would be needed I guess. With watches photographed at an angle, the hand that was previously in line with the minute track goes way beyond it then.

Are real Ultraman watches with straight on photos getting dismissed because the hand does not go beyond the minute track when straight on?

Interesting comment above, how does this happen if Omega are giving out Ultraman archives for anything with a orange hand that is in the correct range?

And am I wrong in thinking there are still only less than 70 Ultraman Speedmasters with archives?
 
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@michael e Out of interest did you log the one with a white hand that Xupes were selling a year or so ago?

I got number 2607141x and 2607967x but it seems a fruitless task given the comment made here that a real Ultraman could have had the orange hand changed to a regular hand, I guess in the past it did not really matter as much as it does today,
 
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Omega give out the EOA based on a picture of the watch. This was the process before it was requested as standard.

I am not clear how @OMEGuy and others have got theirs without a picture with the orange hand?
 
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I got number 2607141x and 2607967x but it seems a fruitless task given the comment made here that a real Ultraman could have had the orange hand changed to a regular hand, I guess in the past it did not really matter as much as it does today,

When they turn up with an Orange hand you will be a step ahead
 
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From this forum. I say incorrect. Verified by EOA

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Lovely looking watch but the hand would stop me buying it because the hand is obviously way too short or the tip may be missing? With these watches it is an important part after all.
 
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