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And ... the eighth day eBay created an Omega Apollo-Soyuz ...
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!poor guy who ever has bought it. And the insurance in form of a book of mstanga.one would cost only 50€
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redpcar
·or the new buyer posting pictures here asking for verification 🙄
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michael22
·Or possibly just wearing it proudly, & in blissful ignorance, for the next 20yrs.
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Apollo-Soyuz
·Or possibly just wearing it proudly, & in blissful ignorance, for the next 20yrs.
from the moment we do not know what will happen in the future ... it could also be that the ignorant are us ...😕
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Tubber
·I missed it, what was the final price?
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dennisthemenace
·I missed it, what was the final price?
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Apollo-Soyuz
·THIS IS NOT DISCUTABLE
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michael22
·THIS IS NOT DISCUTABLE
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!And its back...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232894651341?ViewItem=&item=232894651341
Serial still 5 years too early and pushers too small. In other words it is a redialed 1970. Clowns.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232894651341?ViewItem=&item=232894651341
Serial still 5 years too early and pushers too small. In other words it is a redialed 1970. Clowns.
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simonsays
·If you look closely it is only the pushers and movement that look like replacement parts. Everything else is conjecture. I think that the obsession with Archive Extracts and serial numbers may be clouding what it is that you are collecting. I am not of the opinion that a replacement movement negates the watch, and matching papers while (starting to)seriously affect value, are not the be all and end all.
As an Omega diving watch collector, the amount of watches, such as Ploprofs that have had movement replacements is quite high. Does this mean it is not a proper watch anymore because the extract does not come back Ploprof?
In this instance it may well be put together, or it may well have been dunked in the water and the movement was beyond economic repair, so replaced along with pushers, as you would expect. That seems just as reasonable an explanation as finding a very specific dial, case and case back floating about
As an Omega diving watch collector, the amount of watches, such as Ploprofs that have had movement replacements is quite high. Does this mean it is not a proper watch anymore because the extract does not come back Ploprof?
In this instance it may well be put together, or it may well have been dunked in the water and the movement was beyond economic repair, so replaced along with pushers, as you would expect. That seems just as reasonable an explanation as finding a very specific dial, case and case back floating about
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!If you look closely it is only the pushers and movement that look like replacement parts. Everything else is conjecture. I think that the obsession with Archive Extracts and serial numbers may be clouding what it is that you are collecting. I am not of the opinion that a replacement movement negates the watch, and matching papers while (starting to)seriously affect value, are not the be all and end all.
As an Omega diving watch collector, the amount of watches, such as Ploprofs that have had movement replacements is quite high. Does this mean it is not a proper watch anymore because the extract does not come back Ploprof?
In this instance it may well be put together, or it may well have been dunked in the water and the movement was beyond economic repair, so replaced along with pushers, as you would expect. That seems just as reasonable an explanation as finding a very specific dial, case and case back floating about
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simonsays
·Ah, well yes. I think that applies to many watch sales. I am not sure at what price point the 'open and honest seller' policy kicks in. ;o)
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··Oooo subtitles!Ah, well yes. I think that applies to many watch sales. I am not sure at what price point the 'open and honest seller' policy kicks in. ;o)
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAs an Omega diving watch collector, the amount of watches, such as Ploprofs that have had movement replacements is quite high. Does this mean it is not a proper watch anymore because the extract does not come back Ploprof?
I would say yes, at least it would to me. The thing is it "could" be a rusted out movement, but it "could" be a franken...how would anyone know decades down the road? Does that mean all watches with movements that don't match should now be considered "just fine" then? I can't see that being an accepted stance...
I don't know if it matters why the movement has been replaced - it's no longer original, and that can certainly have an affect on value.
Just as an aside, there are different ways a rusted movement situation can be resolved.
In the case where Omega did the work to replace the movement, there should be a record of that replacement movement going into that watch, so the serial number should still come back right in this case, even though the movement has been replaced.
If a non-Omega service situation happened, even with a completely rusted out movement, you can usually save the bridge or other part that has the serial number on it, and use that on the replacement movement. That's what I would do anyway, and if the numbered component is not useable, you can order a new one with the same number on an exchange basis.
Cheers, Al
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·I have often been informed that Omega had a practise of swapping movements and then servicing the movements en mass for return to other watches(even in modern times for contemporary watches). Apart from a possible service record, (and how you request that I have no idea?) no one is going into the archives to make a note of the change. Of that I am certain.
So the watch is no longer original, but this is an obsession. I think the dial is one of the most important parts of the watch, and yet collectors will happily swap out a mouldy original dial for a better age appropriate version.
Is this watch is now a Franken and should be described as such?
So the watch is no longer original, but this is an obsession. I think the dial is one of the most important parts of the watch, and yet collectors will happily swap out a mouldy original dial for a better age appropriate version.
Is this watch is now a Franken and should be described as such?
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI have often been informed that Omega had a practise of swapping movements and then servicing the movements en mass for return to other watches(even in modern times for contemporary watches).
The only movements Omega does this with currently that I know of are the Speedmaster reduced models, which do not have a serial number on the movements. Many modern quartz movements also do not have serial numbers, so I suspect those are swapped out also rather than being repaired at all, but of course this is quite different from watches that do have serial numbers on the movements.
In many cases the swapped movements in the past used an R prefix on the serial number, so they were known to be replacement movements.
So the watch is no longer original, but this is an obsession. I think the dial is one of the most important parts of the watch, and yet collectors will happily swap out a mouldy original dial for a better age appropriate version.
Is this watch is now a Franken and should be described as such?
But how would you know that the dial has been swapped? Or the hands, or the bezel? There's a point that you can't "devalue" a watch for things that you can't possibly be aware of or have certainty about.
If you don't mind having watches with movements that went in different models, that's up to you. We can certainly agree to disagree on this one.
Yes this is an obsession...we are collectors after all and it goes with the territory.
Cheers, Al
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Andy K
·So the watch is no longer original, but this is an obsession. I think the dial is one of the most important parts of the watch, and yet collectors will happily swap out a mouldy original dial for a better age appropriate version.
Is this watch is now a Franken and should be described as such?
Maybe Franken is a subjective term, but don’t you think full disclosure of any known swapped parts is the right thing to do on the part of the seller?
