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And ... the eighth day eBay created an Omega Apollo-Soyuz ...

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Yeah but when you don't have a way to find the sales price out, you can assume that sales price and list price weren't so far off (especially such a rare item)
You have no idea it sold... so not really. Want me to post lists of eBay “buy it now”at cracktacular prices that never sold?

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for this specific watch I agree with you ... it is likely that this is the result of a reconstruction ... but with original spare Omega parts ... but in this specific case we are not betting on the authenticity or otherwise of this clock because I would say that anyway this AS watch is always better than the one on display at the Omega museum ...😉
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let's pause for a moment to look and reflect on what will trigger the outcome of this auction ...
in my opinion many things, among the most important:
my research and discussions with OMEGA are no longer useful and in most cases it is the market that decides the value and in this case tramples the manufacturer's statements ...

Idiots thinking it’s real does not mean it’s worth that much.
 
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a·nom·a·lous
əˈnämələs/
adjective
  1. deviating from what is standard, normal, or expected.
    "an anomalous situation"
    synonyms: abnormal, atypical, irregular, aberrant, exceptional, freak, freakish, odd, bizarre, peculiar, unusual, out of the ordinary

    I wasn't sure that anomalous was a real word so I looked it up📖

    In all seriousness, it's quickly moved up to 10,100 GBP with 6 days to go. This one's going to be interesting!

Does that mean this watch might have been created in an Anomalous Materials Laboratory?

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I would say that anyway this AS watch is always better than the one on display at the Omega museum

Don't use Omega Museum pieces as guidelines for what a correct reference of a watch should be - they have many franken-watches with replaced bezels, hands etc on display.
 
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You have no idea it sold... so not really. Want me to post lists of eBay “buy it now”at cracktacular prices that never sold?



Idiots thinking it’s real does not mean it’s worth that much.
An eBay listing with a stupid price on a mondane item is not the same of a super rare dial (which makes) an AS worth 40k€ +. So put it however you want, but it's how much a dealer would ask for, which is the whole market for that dial (since there aren't many others around for sale)
 
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Does that mean this watch might have been created in an Anomalous Materials Laboratory?



Don't use Omega Museum pieces as guidelines for what a correct reference of a watch should be - they have many franken-watches with replaced bezels, hands etc on display.

if ... and I say if ... this watch has been assembled by some professional in the trade, he has certainly used original Omega spare parts.
and then ... if you or Omega itself did not want someone to post the photo of the "super frankenwatch" exhibited by the Omega itself, perhaps it should have simply avoided showing it to the public and above all placing it inside the official events! I do nothing but notice that this ugly Omega watch has many details that prompt even the less experienced to ask questions ... none of these, however, concerns the photo ...😉
 
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if you or Omega itself did not want someone to post the photo of the "super frankenwatch" exhibited by the Omega itself, perhaps it should have simply avoided showing it to the public and above all placing it inside the official events

What I mean is - just as Omega's service center considers a watch with worn original parts to be defective and thus replaces parts to make the watch new, the Omega Museum does not verify in detail that each of its pieces is 100% original to how it would have been from the factory. So to use the originality of the Omega Museum's Apollo-Soyuz as a baseline for those that pop up on eBay will lead you to a false conclusion.

It's already been noted that the serial number on this one is far outside the accepted range, and I don't think it's worth arguing further about whether it's all original or not...
 
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Side note... The seller just confirmed via ebay mail 5.0mm pushers and a metal brake, no extract.

The seller states he thinks it can clear a 5.5mm pusher, pictures say otherwise to me...

Not an AS case then...
 
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So to use the originality of the Omega Museum's Apollo-Soyuz as a baseline for those that pop up on eBay will lead you to a false conclusion.
I think you misunderstand: he already has the conclusion and he wants to walk backwards to find the story, so he’s not using the museum watch to check originality, he’s trying to be snarky and say “Omega considers this franken good enough to show in the museum but they won’t give me an extract for mine”.
 
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I think you misunderstand: he already has the conclusion and he wants to walk backwards to find the story, so he’s not using the museum watch to check originality, he’s trying to be snarky and say “Omega considers this franken good enough to show in the museum but they won’t give me an extract for mine”.
Naw the watch is way to valuable to put a real one on display. Heck the museum won’t display even a fake grail in fear it will change to many lives.
 
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This has already been discussed and called out as a Franken when it was posted in the Ebay recommended watch thread. Its a cobbled together pile of crap. Some clever clogs or other spotted the 30m serial and wrong pushers straight away...

ps can't put my finger on why but the way OP writes reminds me of what you would get if you put some of Omega-Rolex's posts into Google translate, moved them into a random foreign language and then back into English again!
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I think you misunderstand: he already has the conclusion and he wants to walk backwards to find the story, so he’s not using the museum watch to check originality, he’s trying to be snarky and say “Omega considers this franken good enough to show in the museum but they won’t give me an extract for mine”.

I know, I am just being very clear about my position 😀
 
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for those interested ... a few days ago this announcement appeared

https://www.ebay.it/itm/Omega-Speed...466340?hash=item25fba1ab64:g:DrwAAOSwjVxbPj4a

Dial, casebacks, bracelet, finals it's OK

last month I noticed on ebay the same box with accessories ...

in 10 years of research I had never seen an Apollo Soyuz with such a low serial ...

this auction, however, will be useful to understand if the market accepts or refuses this anomalous clock and above all it is the first Pre-Apollo-Soyuz that is offered to the public in total naturalness

let's see how it will end
Well there you go, making Evan raise his voice 🙄
 
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I remember the Limited Edition of 50 only Apollo/Soyuz in 18k solid gold with gold bracelet being on eBay around 5 years ago, it sold for £8000. Missed out on that one as was offered it but thought price too high lol
 
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Side note... The seller just confirmed via ebay mail 5.0mm pushers and a metal brake, no extract.

The seller states he thinks it can clear a 5.5mm pusher, pictures say otherwise to me...

Not an AS case then...

Can you ask the seller who re- stamped half of the serial number 😗
 
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Well there you go, making Evan raise his voice 🙄
Not raising my voice.

More like frustration with the OP's Norm Crosby-like masterb, er...mastery of the English language:

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laughing and joking ... time passes and buyers increase ...

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someone claims that in the end this watch will be bought and then sold as spare parts, as happens with some historic cars but this auction will remain in history! Everyone has now noticed the obvious inconsistencies that lead to doubt the originality of this watch, but this time the time is ripe for change and we are all overwhelmed by the event. My research, the half-truths of OMEGA and above all the great criticisms of the market are now not useless; we turn the page. If I remember well at Sotheby's auction in New York in 2009, even an Omega Apollo Soyuz was sold for € 7k with the movement out of batch
 
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laughing and joking ... time passes and buyers increase ...

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someone claims that in the end this watch will be bought and then sold as spare parts, as happens with some historic cars but this auction will remain in history! Everyone has now noticed the obvious inconsistencies that lead to doubt the originality of this watch, but this time the time is ripe for change and we are all overwhelmed by the event. My research, the half-truths of OMEGA and above all the great criticisms of the market are now not useless; we turn the page. If I remember well at Sotheby's auction in New York in 2009, even an Omega Apollo Soyuz was sold for € 7k with the movement out of batch
So, just to be clear: you are suggesting the purchasing market is so rabid for these watches, they don't care about obvious dodgy provenance?
 
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So, just to be clear: you are suggesting the purchasing market is so rabid for these watches, they don't care about obvious dodgy provenance?

so it seems, it is not a perception ... to my surprise, this is reality. As someone pointed out to us, the Apollo-Soyuz 50 - Gold has been paid less than this ... it's unbelievable
 
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I remember the Limited Edition of 50 only Apollo/Soyuz in 18k solid gold with gold bracelet being on eBay around 5 years ago, it sold for £8000. Missed out on that one as was offered it but thought price too high lol

Mine says hello. I will offer this in trade for a legitimate A-S in stainless. That's what a nice guy I am 😁
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the Apollo-Soyuz watches sold in the various auctions between 2004 and 2007, were NOT from a production in 1975 or 1976:
  • LOT 247 Hotel Noga Hilton, Geneva, 24th April 2004 No. 30069600
  • LOT 234 Geneva, Mandarin Oriental Hotel Du Rhône, 15th April 2007 No. 45585460
  • LOT 19 Geneva, Mandarin Oriental Hotel Du Rhône, 15th April 2007 No. 39927934
  • LOT 367 Geneva, 8th May 2010 No. 39181098 (maybe, that’s the only one!)
the latter was then resold by Christie's on December 15, 2015 for $ 37,500

Why has the Omega Apollo-Soyuz always been offered and sold at auctions with the Out Of Batch Movement?
 
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